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UFC 181: Hendricks vs. Lawler 2 Discussion Thread
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12.05.2014 | 7:37 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 605 Points | Tied for 189th
Prelims kick off on UFC Fight Pass at 7pm ET followed by more prelims on FS1 at 8pm and the PPV main card at 10pm.
This should be a great one, boys and girls!
"When a game cannot be won, change the game."
- Saturday 12.06.2014 at 10:00 PM ET
- U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: Fox Sports 1
- Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
- Ownership: Zuffa, LLC
- Venue: Mandalay Bay Events Center
- Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
- Enclosure: Octagon
- TV Announcers: Mike Goldberg, Joe Rogan
- Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
- Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
- Ticket Revenue (live gate): $2,488,000
- Attendance: 9,617
- PPV Buys / Buyrate: 400,000 | TV Ratings: 840,000 avg. viewers (FS1 prelims)
- MMA Bouts: 11
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| Bout | Info | |
|---|---|---|
| Robbie Lawler defeats Johny Hendricks via Decision, Split | 5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Anthony Pettis defeats Gilbert Melendez via Submission, Guillotine Choke | 1:53 Round 2 of 5, 6:53 Total Bout Page | |
| Travis Browne defeats Brendan Schaub via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound | 4:50 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Todd Duffee defeats Anthony Hamilton via KO/TKO, Punches | 0:33 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Tony Ferguson defeats Abel Trujillo via Submission, Rear Naked Choke | 4:19 Round 2 of 3, 9:19 Total Bout Page | |
| Urijah Faber defeats Francisco Rivera Jr. via Submission, Bulldog Choke | 1:34 Round 2 of 3, 6:34 Total Bout Page | |
| Josh Samman defeats Eddie Gordon via KO/TKO, Head Kick | 3:08 Round 2 of 3, 8:08 Total Bout Page | |
| Corey Anderson defeats Justin Jones via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Raquel Pennington defeats Ashlee Evans-Smith via Submission, Bulldog Choke | 4:59 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Sergio Pettis defeats Matt Hobar via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Clay Collard defeats Alex White via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page |
Responses Page 35
12.07.2014 | 9:59 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
Finishing benson and Gilbert back to back is unquestionably better than anything BJ did in back to back fights.
12.07.2014 | 10:01 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 2 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 710th
"We are all human, it's time to prove it."
12.07.2014 | 10:04 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
12.07.2014 | 10:06 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 200th
Pettis works harder in gym to take his talent to a higher level. If Pettis wasnt a hard worker would he be where he is today?
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
12.07.2014 | 10:08 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 200th
* Edited at 12.07.2014, 10:24 PM ET *
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
12.07.2014 | 10:09 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
* Edited at 12.07.2014, 10:12 PM ET *
12.07.2014 | 10:12 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
* Edited at 12.07.2014, 10:12 PM ET *
12.07.2014 | 10:12 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 200th
Glad your back you argumentative silly bastard.
* Edited at 12.07.2014, 10:24 PM ET *
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
12.07.2014 | 10:15 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
12.07.2014 | 10:16 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 200th
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
12.07.2014 | 10:22 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
12.07.2014 | 10:25 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 200th
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
12.07.2014 | 10:55 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 1000th
Every time Hendricks says "You know what I mean" take a shot.
prepare for death.
"Don't argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Bark Twain
12.07.2014 | 11:00 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
Shinya Aoki: 8-3 (1 NC)
Benson Henderson: 8-3
Gilbert Melendez: 7-3
Anthony Pettis: 4-1
Eddie Alvarez: 4-3
BJ Penn: 4-3-1 (you could add 1 loss for Edgar's win at 145, I did not)
Takanori Gomi: 4-5
Frankie Edgar: 3-3-1 (you could add 1 win for Edgar's win over Penn at 145, I did not)
Nate Diaz: 3-4
Donald Cerrone: 1-5
My problem with labeling Pettis as the greatest ever is that he hasn't fought the best names available on nearly as consistent of a basis as other guys.
I think the real problem with this discussion is we're talking about two different things. Messiah has defined "greatest" as being synonymous with "best." In that case, I agree that Pettis is already the top LW all time. I think the difference is that everyone else does not define greatest as best. I'll give an example, I think Floyd Mayweather is one of the most technically sound boxers in history. I in no way would put him in a top 10 greatest boxers list. It's about total career accomplishments, not just being the best. In a similar vein, Pettis doesn't have the accomplishments to match his skill...yet. He's young and has plenty of time to do that.
"Surrender??!! You think this letter on my head stands for France?" - Captain America
12.07.2014 | 11:29 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 1092nd
12.08.2014 | 10:03 AM ET
Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 490 Points | Tied for 887th
Preview of Pettis vs Khabib
12.08.2014 | 11:56 AM ET
Predictions: 2 of 3 Winners, 1 Perfect, 150 Points | Tied for 1488th
This is what happens all the time. Do you define GOAT as the guy that at his peak would have beaten everyone else? Or do you define GOAT as the guy that ACTUALLY accomplished the most.
There is no case right now for Pettis having accomplished more than BJ. He just had his FIRST title defense ever. Give it time.
If you want to argue that the best Pettis would beat the best BJ Penn, then that is fine. IMO it is not a clear win for Pettis and so I can't give him that. He has not shown enough IMO to say he would definitely beat the best BJ Penn. This one is clearly more opinion based and so I really don't like getting into this.
This debate happens with Tyson all the time. In a fight the best Tyson beats just about any other boxer ever; but in judging accomplishments some people don't even have him as top ten HW boxers of all time. Lesnar is the opposite. He accomplished a ton in his very short career, but at his best doesn't really stack up well against other great HWs.
12.08.2014 | 3:14 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 475 Points | Tied for 921st
@CT
I agree, I think Khabib gets it done
* Edited at 12.08.2014, 3:16 PM ET *
"here I come to save the day"
12.08.2014 | 4:03 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points | Tied for 728th
Wow.
* Edited at 12.08.2014, 4:09 PM ET *
12.08.2014 | 11:41 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 490 Points | Tied for 887th