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UFC 136 250,000 ppv buys
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10.20.2011 | 11:51 AM ET
Predictions: 5 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 325 Points | Tied for 824th
Thats so bad for 2 title fights and the return on Chael Sonnen...I know I didn't buy this card and went to the bar, maybe most people were watching from their local bars instead of home for this one!
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/10/20/2502006/dave-meltzer-ufc-136-did-250000-pay-per-view-buys
"I'm too old to be run by the fears of dumb people "
- Saturday 10.08.2011 at 09:00 PM ET
- U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: Spike TV
- Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
- Ownership: Zuffa, LLC
- Venue: Toyota Center
- Location: Houston, Texas, United States
- Enclosure: Octagon
- TV Announcers: Mike Goldberg, Joe Rogan
- Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
- Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
- Ticket Revenue (live gate): $2,230,000
- Attendance: 16,164
- PPV Buys / Buyrate: 225,000 | TV Ratings: 1.0M viewers (Spike Prelims)
- MMA Bouts: 11
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Event Links:
| Bout | Info | |
|---|---|---|
| Frankie Edgar defeats Gray Maynard via KO/TKO, Punches | 3:54 Round 4 of 5, 18:54 Total Bout Page | |
| José Aldo defeats Kenny Florian via Decision, Unanimous | 5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Chael Sonnen defeats Brian Stann via Submission, Arm Triangle Choke | 3:51 Round 2 of 3, 8:51 Total Bout Page | |
| Nam Phan defeats Leonard Garcia via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Joe Lauzon defeats Melvin Guillard via Submission, Rear Naked Choke | 0:47 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Demian Maia defeats Jorge Santiago via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Anthony Pettis defeats Jeremy Stephens via Decision, Split | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Stipe Miocic defeats Joey Beltran via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Darren Elkins defeats Tiequan Zhang via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Aaron Simpson defeats Eric Schafer via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Mike Massenzio defeats Steve Cantwell via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page |
Responses Page 4
10.20.2011 | 8:51 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
I believe that bars pay a much higher rate for PPV's, they are supposed to anyway. But I agree that there is really no difference between downloading or watching at a bar. In both instances you are not paying for a PPV, but benefitting from a third party being willing to share it with you.
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."
10.20.2011 | 8:53 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
I'm pretty sure there were a few times when there were bars that had illegal transmissions. I stayed to watch anyway. Was that even stealing on my part?
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 8:56 PM ET *
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."
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- redkayak
10.20.2011 | 8:53 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 8 Winners, 1 Perfect, 225 Points | Tied for 1058th
Laws care about protecting the citizens of whatever country you may live in(doesn't always hit the nail on the head,but nothing is perfect). without law there is no order and without order there is chaos.
"If you can't feed your baby then don't have a baby and don't think maybe if you can't feed your baby.-MJ"
10.20.2011 | 8:54 PM ET
To blindly follow law, without independent thought, would make us a herd of sheep. Did not Thomas Jefferson warn us that we not only have a right to disobey some laws, but a sacred obligation to do so. When a government goes awry, we must remove and replace them, by force if necessary. Wasn't that what the American Revolution was about?
Do you realize that when you tape a MMA event or anything, you are stealing the intellectual property of the UFC, or whomever owns that TV show. They expressly forbid the taping, storing or distribution of their property.
Oftentimes the judicial system takes a while before it catches up with society and develops common-sense rules to guide new technology. I make myself an outlaw when I tape a UFC event. But I'm willing to live with myself until the courts catch up with technology. And I don't think that is stealing in any way, shape or form. Any more than downloading music. I was one of the original Napster pirates. Now I pay for Napster. I was willing to pay then too.
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 9:02 PM ET *
"Love God, live with honor, keep your agreements."
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- redkayak
10.20.2011 | 8:56 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 8 Winners, 1 Perfect, 225 Points | Tied for 1058th
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 8:56 PM ET *
"If you can't feed your baby then don't have a baby and don't think maybe if you can't feed your baby.-MJ"
10.20.2011 | 8:56 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 550 Points | Tied for 73rd
The bar has the legal right to show the event. They paid a lot of money for that right.
With downloading, they don't have the legal right.
One is legal, one is illegal. These are facts, not opinions.
When you disagree with a fact, a baby seal gets clubbed to death.
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 9:36 PM ET *
"I live, I die, I live again."
10.20.2011 | 8:58 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
Awesome argument, though.
If I ever get arrested I'm going to cite that Thomas Jefferson quote.
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."
10.20.2011 | 8:58 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."
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- redkayak
10.20.2011 | 8:58 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 8 Winners, 1 Perfect, 225 Points | Tied for 1058th
"If you can't feed your baby then don't have a baby and don't think maybe if you can't feed your baby.-MJ"
10.20.2011 | 8:59 PM ET
Do you dispute this possibility within the next 5 years, given we have the kind of explosive growth in the mainstream network TV markets that we all hope for?
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 9:03 PM ET *
"Love God, live with honor, keep your agreements."
10.20.2011 | 9:00 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 550 Points | Tied for 73rd
Human beings (people) care about things.
Objects like televisions, socks, doritos, fish tacos, and pieces of paper don't care about things. These things just don't have brains, or cardiovascular systems, or any of the other necessary ingredients for human emotion.
As a result, no, laws don't care. Only people care.
"I live, I die, I live again."
10.20.2011 | 9:01 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
I think Doritos like to be eaten.
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 9:03 PM ET *
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."
10.20.2011 | 9:02 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 550 Points | Tied for 73rd
Today, the UFC's primary source of revenue is pay per view. And that's what we're talking about right now. We're not talking about the future.
"I live, I die, I live again."
10.20.2011 | 9:04 PM ET
Predictions: 5 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 325 Points | Tied for 824th
@jody That's awful! Why would you bring that up?! Lol, it is really though? XD
10.20.2011 | 9:04 PM ET
Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 2 Perfect, 400 Points | Tied for 551st
it involves a limitation on copyright law known as the first-sale doctrine. it's complicated and it's unsettled. you can read about it here if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
if i lawfully purchase a UFC ppv, i may be lawfully permitted to sell my copy of it. it gets confusing because i can take my one copy and copy it a thousand times, or distribute it a thousand times, and that is probably not permissible. in any case it will be a cold day in hell before zuffa ever admitted you have such a right.
"Damn right I like the life I live / Cause I went from negative to positive."
10.20.2011 | 9:04 PM ET
Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 500 Points | Tied for 168th
"It does not make sense that humans deliberately malfunction. - Upgrade"
10.20.2011 | 9:05 PM ET
"Love God, live with honor, keep your agreements."
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- redkayak
10.20.2011 | 9:05 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 8 Winners, 1 Perfect, 225 Points | Tied for 1058th
you can't look down on people who download or have streams because you think it is alright to pick and choose which laws to follow and which ones to toss aside. It doesn't work that way; it is black and white. when you pick and choose it is not about law anymore it is about your opinion and sorry to say greg,you only get one vote.
oh man i just realized your picture. that river,its a good river for a hippo,yes. :)
* Edited at 10.20.2011, 9:06 PM ET *
"If you can't feed your baby then don't have a baby and don't think maybe if you can't feed your baby.-MJ"
10.20.2011 | 9:06 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 550 Points | Tied for 73rd
@Jodi disagreeing with the law is a good thing. The world changes, and laws should change also. If nobody disagreed with them, they would never change.
What's important is that you understand that a law is still a law, even if you disagree with it, and even if you decide to break it.
"I live, I die, I live again."
10.20.2011 | 9:06 PM ET
Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 575 Points | Tied for 41st with 31 others
"I don't want to have to do this living. I just walk around. I want to be swept off my feet, you know? I want my children to have magical powers. I am prepared for amazing things to happen. I can handle it."