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UFC 231: Holloway vs. Ortega
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- Saturday 12.08.2018 at 10:00 PM ET
- U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: Fox Sports 1
- Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
- Ownership: WME-IMG
- Venue: Scotiabank Arena
- Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
- Enclosure: Octagon
- TV Announcers: Jone Anik, Joe Rogan, Paul Felder
- Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
- Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
- Ticket Revenue (live gate): $2,481,552
- Attendance: 19,039
- PPV Buys / Buyrate: 300,000 | TV Ratings: 786,000 avg. viewers (FS1 prelims, 915k peak)
- MMA Bouts: 13
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| Bout | Info | |
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| Max Holloway defeats Brian Ortega via KO/TKO, Doctor Stoppage | 5:00 Round 4 of 5, 20:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Valentina Shevchenko defeats Joanna Jędrzejczyk via Decision, Unanimous | 5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Gunnar Nelson defeats Alex Oliveira via Submission, Rear Naked Choke | 4:17 Round 2 of 3, 9:17 Total Bout Page | |
| Hakeem Dawodu defeats Kyle Bochniak via Decision, Split | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Thiago Santos defeats Jimi Manuwa via KO/TKO, Punches | 0:41 Round 2 of 3, 5:41 Total Bout Page | |
| Nina Nunes defeats Cláudia Gadelha via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Gilbert Burns defeats Olivier Aubin-Mercier via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Jessica Eye defeats Katlyn Cerminara via Decision, Split | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Elias Theodorou defeats Eryk Anders via Decision, Split | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Brad Katona defeats Matthew Lopez via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Dhiego Lima defeats Chad Laprise via KO/TKO, Punch | 1:37 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Diego Ferreira defeats Kyle Nelson via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound | 1:23 Round 2 of 3, 6:23 Total Bout Page | |
| Aleksandar Rakić defeats Devin Clark via KO/TKO, Spinning Backfist and Punches | 4:05 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page |
Responses Page 2
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- MassaBruce
10.12.2018 | 4:28 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 1414th
2 of the least entertaining fighters in UFC History. Cannot wait for that one.....
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2018.10.22
6:18 PM ET
bout announced
Renato Moicano vs. Mirsad Bektić at 145 lbs (65.8 kg)
10.22.2018 | 6:18 PM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 1025th
Carneiro vs. Bektic
Renato Carneiro, DEC
Good fight!
Renato Carneiro, DEC
Good fight!
"When a game cannot be won, change the game."
10.22.2018 | 10:18 PM ET
The main event is must watch. I was as disappointed in this fight falling through as I was for the 2 khabib tony fights falling through.
"Where are my shoes?"
10.22.2018 | 10:32 PM ET
Predictions: 5 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 375 Points | Tied for 1600th
I've been thinking about Holloway vs Ortega a lot lately and I've decided that I think Ortega is going to win. Holloway is a better striker at range, but that's contingent on him being able to dictate space. A step-in fighter who cuts weird angles like Ortega is going to give him trouble, especially one with a granite chin. But I don't think T-city wins by stoppage, he is going to win by sub.
In his last 13 fights, Max has not fought anyone nearly as dangerous in the subs department as Ortega. Not even close. Really the only guy he's ever fought with decent subs is Oliveria, who is a very hot and cold fighter. Aldo does have subs but doesn't go to them for whatever reason.
Holloway also has a gangly giraffe neck. Ortega WILL target it. I'm pretty sure he pulls out another jump choke the way he did against swanson after wobbling Holloway with something short and powerful. Not sure what round it comes, but within 4.
In his last 13 fights, Max has not fought anyone nearly as dangerous in the subs department as Ortega. Not even close. Really the only guy he's ever fought with decent subs is Oliveria, who is a very hot and cold fighter. Aldo does have subs but doesn't go to them for whatever reason.
Holloway also has a gangly giraffe neck. Ortega WILL target it. I'm pretty sure he pulls out another jump choke the way he did against swanson after wobbling Holloway with something short and powerful. Not sure what round it comes, but within 4.
* Edited at 10.22.2018, 10:33 PM ET *
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10.22.2018 | 10:40 PM ET
Yeah I have been leaning towards Ortega too. But every time I start leaning one way, I start to counter and lean the other way. As awesome as Ortega has been, he has also been very close to defeat a few times as well. I don't think Brian has faced as good a striker as Max yet, and if he gets rolling, it could make for a long night. But if I were forced to make a choice, I would go Brian. We still don't know the physical shape Max is in right now/
"Where are my shoes?"
10.23.2018 | 1:20 AM ET
Predictions: 5 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 375 Points | Tied for 1600th
The main concern I have for Ortega stems from that Clay Guida fight.He definitely got rocked and Guida isn't exactly known for his power. I think he has evolved since then, but I can infer almost nothing from the Edgar fight because Frankie is very quick and good in the phone booth, that's where that fight took place, and Edgar and Holloway are completely different. Edgar was landing a lot, but he was doing it in close where he's strong.
If you had to pick from the list of fighters that Ortega has beaten, the closet match to Holloway would be Renato Carniero. Similar build, similar imitations of Holloway's stance, combinations and distance management. Max obviously throws much more heat much more often as a much better pressure fighter, but they are similar in many ways.
I see two possibilities:
Either max gets into a groove where he keeps Ortega at range, totally outboxes him, and ramps up the damage from round 2 onwards for a KO/TKO late, or Oretga catches him with a short elbow, uppercut, and jumps on his neck for a sub.
Ortega has shown an uncanny ability to make things happen, so I'm going with the second option.
And yes, Max's health is a major concern. Whatever was going on with his brain was not good. They say they couldn't find anything....but if it were me that would be cold comfort. Personally the idea that Holloway could become the Gerald Mclellan of MMA is an horrific, but all-too real possibility.
If you had to pick from the list of fighters that Ortega has beaten, the closet match to Holloway would be Renato Carniero. Similar build, similar imitations of Holloway's stance, combinations and distance management. Max obviously throws much more heat much more often as a much better pressure fighter, but they are similar in many ways.
I see two possibilities:
Either max gets into a groove where he keeps Ortega at range, totally outboxes him, and ramps up the damage from round 2 onwards for a KO/TKO late, or Oretga catches him with a short elbow, uppercut, and jumps on his neck for a sub.
Ortega has shown an uncanny ability to make things happen, so I'm going with the second option.
And yes, Max's health is a major concern. Whatever was going on with his brain was not good. They say they couldn't find anything....but if it were me that would be cold comfort. Personally the idea that Holloway could become the Gerald Mclellan of MMA is an horrific, but all-too real possibility.
* Edited at 10.23.2018, 2:57 AM ET *
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2018.10.23
11:17 PM ET
bout announced
Alex Oliveira vs. Gunnar Nelson at 170 lbs (77.1 kg)
10.23.2018 | 11:17 PM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 1025th
Oliveira vs. Nelson
Alex Oliveira, DEC
Fun fight.
Alex Oliveira, DEC
Fun fight.
"When a game cannot be won, change the game."
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- MassaBruce
10.24.2018 | 1:11 AM ET
Alex Cowboy vs Gunni
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 1414th
* Edited at 10.24.2018, 1:13 AM ET *
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10.24.2018 | 1:55 AM ET
Predictions: 5 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 375 Points | Tied for 1600th
Hmm, this one will be interesting. Or Not. Oliveiera has been on a tear lately and might just smoke him within one round.
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10.24.2018 | 7:37 PM ET
Predictions: 10 of 13 Winners, 5 Perfect, 680 Points | Tied for 43rd with 2 others
I think it's highly likely that Gunnar smokes Cowboy, actually. Gunnar's loss to Ponzinibbio was a little bit flukey. He has the skills to beat Oliveira. He'd probably win a rematch with Ponzinibbio too.
10.25.2018 | 1:48 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 390 Points | Tied for 1496th
I find holloway is more of a brawler and ortega is smart enough to avoid brawling with max.
U guys mention ortega being hurt in a couple fights as if its a bad thing.
I think its a good sign that he's been hurt and tested but he still wins.
Be prepared. Ortega becomes another ufc undeffeated champion. Wont be long after that the hype train will say khabib vs ortega. watch, mark my words.
U guys mention ortega being hurt in a couple fights as if its a bad thing.
I think its a good sign that he's been hurt and tested but he still wins.
Be prepared. Ortega becomes another ufc undeffeated champion. Wont be long after that the hype train will say khabib vs ortega. watch, mark my words.
2018.11.15
10:54 PM ET
bout status update
Moicano vs. Bektić Changed from Confirmed to Cancelled
2018.11.27
10:18 PM ET
bout status update
Makdessi vs. Ferreira Changed from Confirmed to Cancelled
2018.11.27
10:18 PM ET
bout announced
Diego Ferreira vs. Jesse Ronson at 155 lbs (70.3 kg)
12.02.2018 | 1:08 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 250 Points | Tied for 1932nd
Ortega wins vs Max Holloway !! New Champ vs Khabib... Double Champ Ortega goes up again and challenges T Woodley-- Triple Champ Ortega !!!
* Meanwhile two divisions are put on hold til Ortega is stripped and has to stay at one and defend !
* Meanwhile two divisions are put on hold til Ortega is stripped and has to stay at one and defend !
12.02.2018 | 1:10 PM ET
Predictions: 4 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 250 Points | Tied for 1932nd
I was just playing around on the last post -- But the Ortega vs Holloway card is stacked !!! I am very serious about that .... so many fights I like on that main card. There are only a couple on the Prelims that interest me.
12.02.2018 | 7:14 PM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 1414th
Holloway vs. Ortega
Brian Ortega, SUB, R4
My God I've been waiting impatiently for this fight for sooo long, even before it was announced. Man, this fight could very well be, the most important Featherweight fight ever. And I Honestly can picture visually, how each one finishes the other. But. There's just something about Brian Ortega. I've been watching this kid since he was RFA champ. He's often losing on the cards... But he somehow gets it done EVERYTIME. And I can say that w/o feeling like a shmuck later on. He's just scrappy and I think maybe even a little scrappier than Holloway. I just see Ortega with his hand raised, and Holloway sitting in his but looking in disbelief.. Ortega just gets it done one more time, later in the fight.
Jędrzejczyk vs. Shevchenko
Valentina Shevchenko, DEC
The tech striking Gods have answered... Finally. This was ALWAYS the fight to make for Flyweight. And honestly, prolly the 2nd or 3rd best women's fight to make. I think Shevchenko is just tooo much for Joanna tho. I think she keeps the trend of her already beating Joanna, right on going....... By Decision.
Oliveira vs. Nelson
Alex Oliveira, TKO, R2
Interesting fight, maybe not the best fight to comeback from a year and a half to.. And I think Cowboy is in his fighting prime right now. I think he does a little better tune up on Gunnar than Ponzinibbio did..
Bochniak vs. Dawodu
Hakeem Dawodu, DEC
The UFC loooves them some Kyle Bochniak barnburners! This will be what, 4th straight firefight for Bochniak.. This "could be" Fight of the Night for sure
Santos vs. Manuwa
Thiago Santos, TKO, R2
I love Santõs at Light-Heavyweight. I mean, the guy was an absolute destroyer at Middleweight, That power HAS TO be even scarier up a division. I think he knocks Manuwa's block off, annnnd then, I sooo wouldn't mind seeing Thiago Santos vs. Anthony Smith 2.... At Light-Heavyweight.. Anyone else like that idea?
Gadelha vs. Ansaroff
Cláudia Gadelha, DEC
Claudia Gadelha is a beast.... She's frickin hot too. But I see this being a wipeout.
Anders vs. Theodorou
Eryk Anders, TKO, R1
Can't believe Theodorou hasn't been finished yet.... There's a good chance that streak ends tonite.
Burns vs. Aubin-Mercier
Olivier Aubin-Mercier, DEC
I looove this fight. It's the sleeper fight of the card. The grappling and BJJ credentials of Burns is incredible and that's definitely OAM's base... I hope the grappling prowess of both doesn't cancel each other out, I just wanna see this fight take place on the ground. the whole 15 mins.
Katona vs. Lopez
Matthew Lopez, DEC
Look, I like this Brad Katona kid.. But I just think Matthew Lopez's wrestling will be tooo much for Katona.
Laprise vs. Lima
Chad Laprise, TKO, R2
Let's speak about a little something called reality here.. Let's face it, Dhiégo Lima is no Douglas Lima. He's not even half as good as his brother is. So should be easy win for Laprise.
Brian Ortega, SUB, R4
My God I've been waiting impatiently for this fight for sooo long, even before it was announced. Man, this fight could very well be, the most important Featherweight fight ever. And I Honestly can picture visually, how each one finishes the other. But. There's just something about Brian Ortega. I've been watching this kid since he was RFA champ. He's often losing on the cards... But he somehow gets it done EVERYTIME. And I can say that w/o feeling like a shmuck later on. He's just scrappy and I think maybe even a little scrappier than Holloway. I just see Ortega with his hand raised, and Holloway sitting in his but looking in disbelief.. Ortega just gets it done one more time, later in the fight.
Jędrzejczyk vs. Shevchenko
Valentina Shevchenko, DEC
The tech striking Gods have answered... Finally. This was ALWAYS the fight to make for Flyweight. And honestly, prolly the 2nd or 3rd best women's fight to make. I think Shevchenko is just tooo much for Joanna tho. I think she keeps the trend of her already beating Joanna, right on going....... By Decision.
Oliveira vs. Nelson
Alex Oliveira, TKO, R2
Interesting fight, maybe not the best fight to comeback from a year and a half to.. And I think Cowboy is in his fighting prime right now. I think he does a little better tune up on Gunnar than Ponzinibbio did..
Bochniak vs. Dawodu
Hakeem Dawodu, DEC
The UFC loooves them some Kyle Bochniak barnburners! This will be what, 4th straight firefight for Bochniak.. This "could be" Fight of the Night for sure
Santos vs. Manuwa
Thiago Santos, TKO, R2
I love Santõs at Light-Heavyweight. I mean, the guy was an absolute destroyer at Middleweight, That power HAS TO be even scarier up a division. I think he knocks Manuwa's block off, annnnd then, I sooo wouldn't mind seeing Thiago Santos vs. Anthony Smith 2.... At Light-Heavyweight.. Anyone else like that idea?
Gadelha vs. Ansaroff
Cláudia Gadelha, DEC
Claudia Gadelha is a beast.... She's frickin hot too. But I see this being a wipeout.
Anders vs. Theodorou
Eryk Anders, TKO, R1
Can't believe Theodorou hasn't been finished yet.... There's a good chance that streak ends tonite.
Burns vs. Aubin-Mercier
Olivier Aubin-Mercier, DEC
I looove this fight. It's the sleeper fight of the card. The grappling and BJJ credentials of Burns is incredible and that's definitely OAM's base... I hope the grappling prowess of both doesn't cancel each other out, I just wanna see this fight take place on the ground. the whole 15 mins.
Katona vs. Lopez
Matthew Lopez, DEC
Look, I like this Brad Katona kid.. But I just think Matthew Lopez's wrestling will be tooo much for Katona.
Laprise vs. Lima
Chad Laprise, TKO, R2
Let's speak about a little something called reality here.. Let's face it, Dhiégo Lima is no Douglas Lima. He's not even half as good as his brother is. So should be easy win for Laprise.
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12.02.2018 | 9:48 PM ET
Predictions: 10 of 13 Winners, 5 Perfect, 680 Points | Tied for 43rd with 2 others
12.03.2018 | 4:42 AM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 5 Perfect, 515 Points | Tied for 666th
Gadelha vs. Ansaroff
Cláudia Gadelha, DEC
But the leg kicks of Ansaroff have real potential to change the course of the fight.
Cláudia Gadelha, DEC
But the leg kicks of Ansaroff have real potential to change the course of the fight.
12.03.2018 | 10:01 AM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 5 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 365 Points | Tied for 1632nd
Holloway vs. Ortega
Brian Ortega, SUB, R1
All or nothing
Brian Ortega, SUB, R1
All or nothing
12.03.2018 | 11:07 AM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 4 of 7 Winners, 2 Perfect, 290 Points | Tied for 1859th
Holloway vs. Ortega
Max Holloway, DEC
enjoy both of these guys and wont be unhappy with either winning, but im betting bill a donut
Santos vs. Manuwa
Thiago Santos, TKO, R1
this will be interesting. Manuwa hasnt really impressed me. He has looked incredible but he seems to have trouble taking a good hit. That said volkan and rumble hit really hard!!
Anders vs. Theodorou
Eryk Anders, DEC
holla at ya boy!!!
Max Holloway, DEC
enjoy both of these guys and wont be unhappy with either winning, but im betting bill a donut
Santos vs. Manuwa
Thiago Santos, TKO, R1
this will be interesting. Manuwa hasnt really impressed me. He has looked incredible but he seems to have trouble taking a good hit. That said volkan and rumble hit really hard!!
Anders vs. Theodorou
Eryk Anders, DEC
holla at ya boy!!!
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12.03.2018 | 8:45 PM ET
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Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 390 Points | Tied for 1496th
12.04.2018 | 2:09 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 390 Points | Tied for 1496th
Shevchenko vs Joanna
Shevchenko decision
Gonna be a war for sure but I cant see bullet losing to someone she's beat 3 times before.
Bullet beats her striking, wrestling and jits anywhere this fight goes bullet wins. 50-45 Shevchenko.
Holloway vs Ortega
Ortega submission rd3
T-city revoloution is coming boys and girls. The blessed era was awesome no doubt but that strange drop out of the original fight and all the wars max has been in I see ortega getting the best of max.
Invisible combat ju-jitsu!
Santos vs Manuwa
Santos ko rd1
Somebody call the cops cause we're gonna c murder in the cage.
Gadelha vs Ansaroff
Gadelha decision
Eye vs chookagian
Chookagian decision
Shevchenko decision
Gonna be a war for sure but I cant see bullet losing to someone she's beat 3 times before.
Bullet beats her striking, wrestling and jits anywhere this fight goes bullet wins. 50-45 Shevchenko.
Holloway vs Ortega
Ortega submission rd3
T-city revoloution is coming boys and girls. The blessed era was awesome no doubt but that strange drop out of the original fight and all the wars max has been in I see ortega getting the best of max.
Invisible combat ju-jitsu!
Santos vs Manuwa
Santos ko rd1
Somebody call the cops cause we're gonna c murder in the cage.
Gadelha vs Ansaroff
Gadelha decision
Eye vs chookagian
Chookagian decision