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FaceStomper

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06.26.2013 | 9:07 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 450 Points | Tied for 696th

Gusstafson vs Jones Looks like A okay matchup. like if you still wanted to see Jones Vs Hendo

"You fight midgets" - Nate Diaz

Saturday 09.21.2013 at 10:00 PM ET
U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: Fox Sports 1
Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
Ownership: Zuffa, LLC
Venue: Air Canada Centre
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Enclosure: Octagon
TV Announcers: Mike Goldberg, Joe Rogan
Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
Ticket Revenue (live gate): $1,900,000
Attendance: 15,504
PPV Buys / Buyrate: 310,000 | TV Ratings: 722,000 avg. viewers (FS1 prelims)
MMA Bouts: 13
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Bout		Info
Jon Jones defeats Alexander Gustafsson via Decision, Unanimous		5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page
Renan Barão defeats Eddie Wineland via KO/TKO, Spinning Back Kick and Punches		0:35 Round 2 of 5, 5:35 Total Bout Page
Brendan Schaub defeats Matt Mitrione via Submission, D'arce Choke		4:06 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Francis Carmont defeats Costas Philippou via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Khabib Nurmagomedov defeats Pat Healy via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Myles Jury defeats Mike Ricci via Decision, Split		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Wilson Reis defeats Ivan Menjivar via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Stephen Thompson defeats Chris Clements via KO/TKO, Punches		1:27 Round 2 of 3, 6:27 Total Bout Page
Mitch Gagnon defeats Dustin Kimura via Submission, Guillotine Choke		4:05 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
John Makdessi defeats Renee Forte via KO/TKO, Punches		2:01 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Michel Prazeres defeats Jesse Ronson via Decision, Split		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Alex Caceres defeats Roland Delorme via Decision, Split		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Daniel Omielańczuk defeats Nandor Guelmino via KO/TKO, Punch		3:18 Round 3 of 3, 13:18 Total Bout Page

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lbj6

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Predictions: 3,615 | 61.5%
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Post Score: 210

09.22.2013 | 3:12 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 1015th

@skelliher, i gotta disagree man. i couldn't hear a thing during the fight and still gave it to Gus. and when you said people hatin on Jones for givin us an all time classic, man that was Gus bringin it to Jones which gave us a classic fight.

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yossgold

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09.22.2013 | 3:28 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 425 Points | Tied for 868th

@Jitz, I didn't say what my opinion was ... if I were judging I would give it to Gus, but that's just because I'm a fan and the exact reason I'll never be a good judge ... I say whoever you gave round 4 to you weren't completely wrong and had some merit ... If I were able to be totally objective I might have gone JBJ's way ... but that's a big 'IF' ... I would suck at judging MMA ... Diego Sanchez would never win a fight ;)

The best thing that came out of this fight though is that now Tito can't keep claiming to that dumbass "most-consecutive-LHW-defenses-because-I-managed-to-duck-any-real-competition-ahem-Chuck-Liddell" record anymore.

* Edited at 09.22.2013, 3:29 AM ET *

"Hay lohh you Mike, ay lov you Mike. Hyou say somesing like di fo me, and naw I say you ... I LOV YOU! See you som. Boy." -- Yoel Romero, UFC 205

amp112

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09.22.2013 | 3:34 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 1 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 999th

I could see an argument for giving Jones round 2, but I though Gus controlled the round much better and landed more punches.

The other 4 rounds were pretty clear cut to me. 1 & 3 to Gus, 4 & 5 to Jones.

However, if you were gonna give it 4 rounds to 1 (ahem, idiot judge that I neglected to look up with a simple google search), it would be for Gus. The argument of giving Gus Rd 5>giving Jones Rd 2.

buffalo ben

Location: Bogotá, Colombia
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Predictions: 3,705 | 58.2%
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Post Score: 157

09.22.2013 | 3:36 AM ET

Predictions: 8 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 490 Points | Tied for 458th

the way i see it Jones won rounds 2, 4, and 5. Even so, he didn´t look like the number 1 pound for pound tonight.

"You don't have to be perfect, just dont be fraudulant"

Nomad

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Predictions: 3,465 | 66.3%
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09.22.2013 | 3:41 AM ET

Predictions: 10 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 580 Points | Tied for 114th

The fight was very close and Im seriously doubting if Jones can make it through Cormier now. I expected a split decision for Jones but hoped Gustafsson did enough. Gustafsson was unbelievably classy in his post fight interview with Rogan, Jones somehow annoyed me still. Look forward next time for both these cats though. I think Gus just became a star.

"If I have a goal, then it is to escape from this literalism. I'll never achieve it; in the same way that I'll never manage to describe what really dwells within my character, although I keep on trying."

legacyofmisfortune

Location: Mexico
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Post Score: 240

09.22.2013 | 4:05 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 455 Points | Tied for 685th

I just got home from watching the fight, I thought it was a close fight but Gus had clearly won, when I heard the 46-49 score I was sure Gus had won the fight because I thought there's no way someone is giving Jones 4 rounds... but I forgot this is MMA and that was Jon Jones the champion and ******** like this happens.
I saw Gus prove he is the better fighter, he fought his gameplan and stuffed pretty much everything Jones threw at him, **** he took Jon Jones down for the first time in his MMA career!! Jones had his back on the floor for the first time, Jones looked uncomfortable and befulded in the cage, Gus looked in control, confident and agressive. Gus was picking Jones apart little by little, I saw Jon Jones not wanting to close the distance enough to strike Gus, he kept throwing weak leg kicks striking from afar, at moments he looked scared and confused to me. Jones left with the belt but not the winner, right eye his eye was closed, he had a cut on his eyebrow, he could barely speak because of his busted mouth and he left the cage being carried away limping, Gus left walking on his own with a small bruise in one of his eyes., he showed, skills, heart, endurance and class.

"he is going to the hospital, and im going to the after party, ha ha ha" Nate Diaz

zarog

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09.22.2013 | 4:19 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 0 Perfect, 365 Points | Tied for 1205th

Link to official FightMetric report.

"Surrender??!! You think this letter on my head stands for France?" - Captain America

TraeBlack

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09.22.2013 | 4:28 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 634th

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont....Bones edged him, but a rematch is in order. FOTY until somebody else beats it.

"3HUNNA"

legacyofmisfortune

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09.22.2013 | 4:56 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 455 Points | Tied for 685th

numbers doesn't tell the whole story

"he is going to the hospital, and im going to the after party, ha ha ha" Nate Diaz

TAMANinja

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09.22.2013 | 6:10 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 480 Points | Tied for 533rd

The problem with numbers and in particular fightmetric stats is that the view that devastating elbow in the fourth the same as a leg kick. They're both considered significant strikes, but are clearly not doing the same damage and having the same effect on the fight. Or in another case, Aldo's brutal leg kick is considered the same as a weak right hand. Is an Ellenberger right hand the same as a Diaz right hand? Is the Khabib slam worth the same as a weak double leg that catches the guy off balance and gets him down? In my book no, one ran across the cage and slammed you into the canvas with all of his mass and momentum the other flops you to the mat. Just not equivalent, but they are both counted as a takedown.

Unless your able to ascertain the mass and velocity of each strike and how much of the force generated from the strike was absorbed by the opponent your not getting the whole picture.

This is my problem with stats in all MMA fights, not this one in particular. At the very least they need a "very significant strike" stat to get a more accurate picture, but even then I don't think we are ever going a real portrait of a fight based on stats.

TAMANinja

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09.22.2013 | 6:43 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 3 Perfect, 480 Points | Tied for 533rd

Just showed the fight highlights video of the Jones Gus fight to my roomate and its obscenely ridiculous that they only show Jones landing strikes. I don't care who you think won the fight but a good highlight video shows the best moments from each fighter. Roomie thinks I'm lying that it was a close fight, mildly annoyed.

gunn4206

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09.22.2013 | 9:34 AM ET

Predictions: 11 of 13 Winners, 5 Perfect, 690 Points | 14th Place

TAMANinja tell your roommate to go on twitter i had over 20 fighters last night on my twitter saying gus won .

David Rickels ‏@TheCaveman316 8h

I had Gus 3 to 2

michael ‏@bisping 8h

Well the decision is final so congrats on a great fight. Jones showed spirit for sure. I thought Gus won but as I say great fight, well done

Gray Maynard ‏@GrayMaynard 8h

I thought @AlexTheMauler won that one

Kelvin Gastelum ‏@KelvinGastelum 8h

Alex.got robbed imo

there is a few ^^ .

* Edited at 09.22.2013, 9:37 AM ET *

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trevpicks

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Post Score: 222

09.22.2013 | 9:40 AM ET

Predictions: 8 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 500 Points | Tied for 411th

Woke up this morning still thinking of that fight, by the end of the fight both men were zombies. As much as i wanting gus to win after a night sleep i can see how jones got the decision but either way both fighters stock have risen to the top now.It was a perfect storm due to bones record and title defense and gus size mathup and it was brilliant, **** i need more.

Franklin880088

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09.22.2013 | 10:02 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 1 Perfect, 430 Points | Tied for 825th

I wish Gus had won, but even still I feel a bit vindicated. Seem like everyone was counting Gus out and thinking it was crazy to suggest he could stuff Jones or that he had that better hands and technical striking edge. I feel he proved both in this fight. The fight went alot like i thought it would. With Gus having the better technical striking with his hands/movement while Jones was more powerful and unpredictable with his kicks/elbows.

* Edited at 09.22.2013, 10:04 AM ET *

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DontBeScaredHomie

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09.22.2013 | 10:30 AM ET

Predictions: 9 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 525 Points | Tied for 292nd

I also scored it 3-2 for Gus but im not upset with the decision that was one of the closest fights ive ever seen. I say strap em up lets do this **** again!!

"Ohhhhhhhh ****! Look at that door, dude. See that door there? The one marked "Pirate"? You think a pirate lives in there?"

legacyofmisfortune

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09.22.2013 | 12:13 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 455 Points | Tied for 685th

I don't know where to post this so here it goes...
I won a T shirt on a bet I'm getting this.

"he is going to the hospital, and im going to the after party, ha ha ha" Nate Diaz

yossgold

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09.22.2013 | 12:29 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 2 Perfect, 425 Points | Tied for 868th

That's one sweet t-shirt!!!

"Hay lohh you Mike, ay lov you Mike. Hyou say somesing like di fo me, and naw I say you ... I LOV YOU! See you som. Boy." -- Yoel Romero, UFC 205

skelliher

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09.22.2013 | 12:44 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 634th

Ya most fighters had Gus winning, and as Greg posted a couple pages back, 19 of 20 MMA writers had Jones winning. And FightMetric had Jones winning. I was there live and thought he landed the more diverse strikes and came way closer to finishing. Whatevs.

"When a game cannot be won, change the game."

Kalibo

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09.22.2013 | 12:47 PM ET

Predictions: 10 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points | Tied for 75th

I scored it 48-47 for Bones, but that was one close fight. I think that glancing shot that cut Jones in the 1st threw him off a bit.

"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved" – Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"

skelliher

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09.22.2013 | 12:48 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 13 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points | Tied for 634th

"The scorecards were all over the place as fans, media, fighters, and judges alike tried to contextualize the violence into a nice, orderly score in the 10-point must system. Basically the score issues arise from the fundamental problem of comparing the kicks of Jones to the punches of Gustafsson. This has been a theme in many close, striking based fights including another Light Heavyweight title fight between Machida and Shogun now almost four years ago. Regardless of how the fight was scored by any individual - I personally scored the fight 48-47 Jones - it was a very close, contentious fight and the word "robbery" should be nowhere near it."

-- Nice explanation by TP Grant

"When a game cannot be won, change the game."

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