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UFC 287
  • Saturday 04.08.2023 at 06:00 PM ET
  • U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: ESPN
  • Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
  • Ownership: Endeavor
  • Venue: Miami-Dade Arena
  • Location: Miami, Florida, United States
  • Enclosure: Octagon
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  • Ticket Revenue (live gate): $11,943,363
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Bout   Info
Israel Adesanya   defeats   Alex Pereira   via KO/TKO, Counter Right   4:21 Round 2 of 5, 9:21 Total Bout Page
Gilbert Burns   defeats   Jorge Masvidal   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Rob Font   defeats   Adrian Yanez   via KO/TKO, Right Hook to Ground Strikes   2:57 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Kevin Holland   defeats   Santiago Ponzinibbio   via KO/TKO, Left Hook   3:16 Round 3 of 3, 13:16 Total Bout Page
Christian Rodriguez   defeats   Raul Rosas Jr.   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Kelvin Gastelum   defeats   Chris Curtis   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Luana Pinheiro   defeats   Michelle Waterson-Gomez   via Decision, Split   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Joe Pyfer   defeats   Gerald Meerschaert   via KO/TKO, Right Cross to Ground Strikes   3:15 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Lupita Godinez   defeats   Cynthia Calvillo   via Decision, Split   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Ignacio Bahamondes   defeats   Trey Ogden   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Steve Garcia   defeats   Shayilan Nuerdanbieke   via KO/TKO, Uppercut to the Body   0:36 Round 2 of 3, 5:36 Total Bout Page
Sam Hughes   defeats   Jaqueline Amorim   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page

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Joshjeffords
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03.29.2023 | 3:35 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 495 Points   |   Tied for 764th

To address the Izzy conundrum, his best bet is to surprise Alex yes fakedowns lol but blitz instead of circling away.
The "ONLY" time he hurt Alex during regulation time was blitzing and hitting him at angles "slightly illegal in kickboxing"
The after the bell punch that rocked Alex was only because round was over he had hands down.
Even if it was a legal punch which it was not theres no universe he found a ko there.
Take it or leave it Izzy can win but his best chance is to take chances which he rarely does anymore.
Yes he may be able to circle/back pedal, bike call it what you want and out point Alex too but he tried that twice and failed.
Alex is too good to get cleanly countered unlike Izzy, Alex was a world champ multiple show multiple division kickboxer.
 

"“I took no damage,” Hill said. “Most of the fall was me falling down"

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03.29.2023 | 3:52 PM ET

@Joshjeffords

Predictions: 11 of 12 Winners, 6 Perfect, 715 Points   |   5th Place

You're forgetting the first time they fought in kickboxing where Izzy did run out the clock to outpoint Pereira. Was robbed of the victory in a fight that wasn't that close.
I think people make up strange post-fact narratives and are too focused on outcomes.
Izzy has rocked Pereira bad, in both kickboxing and MMA setting, there's no reason to believe that it's impossible for him to knock Pereira out. He has also (should have) won a decision the first time they fought if he wasn't robbed.

It is possible Pereira is in Izzy's head to a degree but I see a lot of people on here draw very strong conclusions. The more reasonable take is that both fighters can win but Izzy is likely to be up in points if it goes all the way due to consistently having a higher output.
Other than that it's difficult to have a strong opinion on what is going to happen, imo. Well difficult to have reason to be confident in that opinion at any rate.

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 3:53 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 4:03 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 495 Points   |   Tied for 764th

Well robbed or not still a loss and yes he did hurt him in the KB match but actually got dirt napped himself.
All covered in my verbose and probably poorly written essay.
I've seen all three back and front, multiple times not the little highlights people watch and make assumptions.
Izzy could win a decision or late ko himself but facts and history again already laid out.
Not a fanboi of either probably will root for Izzy him being at all but output disadvantages.
This is not a kickboxing match so we can ignore that mountain of data which is a bad idea and I still don't see Izzy being favored.
Not saying you are wrong but until Izzy actually beats Alex nothing changes for me.
Thanks for reply I always enjoy reading your work.     

"“I took no damage,” Hill said. “Most of the fall was me falling down"

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03.29.2023 | 4:07 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 540 Points   |   Tied for 317th

Also, he could outpoint him also, They a reason why Izzy is still the favourite(even tho I think that ******** and I’m gonna bet Alex), People look at Alex being 3-0, And think that mean dominance, but in reality all 3 of them was close ass fight which Izzy could of won 

I think Alex should be a close to moderate favourite, Bur I think Izzy can win also, he was 3-1 going into the 5th, 3 minutes away from winning

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 4:08 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 4:36 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 495 Points   |   Tied for 764th

Sure and he could submit him just said best chance, he will have the speed and punch count advantage why not use it! 

"“I took no damage,” Hill said. “Most of the fall was me falling down"

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03.29.2023 | 5:55 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 0 Perfect, 300 Points   |   Tied for 4325th

I hope that all you guys on Rosas Jr realise that he is not submitting C Rod. I hope you get that. Could he control him for 3 rounds? Possibly. But not a submission. 

The over 1.5 in this fight is a lock.
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03.29.2023 | 5:57 PM ET

JoshJeffords

Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 0 Perfect, 300 Points   |   Tied for 4325th

I almost never agree with you. But this time I do.

Alex Pereira is a lock. People who are analysing this fight and picking Izzy are missing 2 very important things that became clear in the 1st fight.

Trust me when I say this is going to be a very very different fight to the first one.

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 5:58 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 6:00 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 0 Perfect, 300 Points   |   Tied for 4325th

Anyone who is uncertain about who is winning this 4th fight, just watch the last fight. It becomes very very clear what is going to happen in this fight and how Pereira is going to approach this fight with Izzy. There is only 1 way Izzy can win this fight and I dont see him being able to pull it off.

I have just laid a very big bet on Pereira. 

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 6:01 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 6:14 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 525 Points   |   Tied for 469th

The reason Izzy is favored is because he won the first kickboxing match. It was a bad decision. And then he was winning the second until the KO. And then he was winning the third until the KO. Obviously what Alex does is not a fluke, but they've spent a lot of time fighting by now, and Izzy has pretty cleanly won most of that time. 

Izzy got a leg kick checked, and it really ****** his leg up. His lateral movement was severely compromised. So when Alex closed in at the end of the last fight, Izzy couldn't roll out. He was trapped. But there were a million micro moments that led to that, that it's not reasonable to assume will happen again. 

Like, Steph Curry can hit shots from 3/4s of the court away. And he does it in game from time to time. But he doesn't just pull up from there regularly because it's a low % shot, even if he can do it. Aaron Rodgers is really good at throwing Hail Mary's. But you still can't count on that.

Bookies are taking into account the stuff that happened before the box score result. 
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03.29.2023 | 6:34 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

God that breakdown was pretty ******* ********, comparing Hail Mary's and Half court shots to fighting. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ low percentage plays used in desperation to obtain a lead or victory.

I got Izzy by DEC, but Pereira checked pretty much all of Izzy's leg kicks in the first fight and other than Round 1 & 3 defended pretty beautifully.

- Round 1, Izzy was losing the round other than his right hook that rocked Pereira in the final seconds.

- Round 2, was close, Alex landing a heavy jabs / a head kick with Izzy landing a good few shots than was taken down to end Round 2.

-Round 3, All Izzy pretty much with the takedowns and that heavy axe kick to the body.

-Round 4, I'll give it to Izzy because not too much landed from either fighter and Alex was clinched against the fence for most of the Round.

-Round 5, Pereira was working the body while Izzy tried to clinch, landing beautiful shots to the face and checked Izzy's leg kick that knocked him down. Than knocked his ass out.

This wasn't some dominate showing by Izzy that most remember, Alex was in the fight all the way until the end. His accumulated work turned out to be way more damaging than Izzy's and this wasn't no damn "Hail Mary" or "Half Court Shot." 😂😂🤦‍♂️ 🤡🤡

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 6:45 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 6:52 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 525 Points   |   Tied for 469th

And that reply could not be more word for word what I'm talking about. This aggro breakdown that uses the result of the fight as a personal insult they should get credit for to use against other people, that doesn't even really imply they watched the fight. 

A goofball meathead logjam of synapses firing, and the only thing that really comes through is the desire to be in an internet argument. Bookies have Izzy favored because they're not operating on that type of level.
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03.29.2023 | 7:10 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

No, just simply wanted to point out how dumb comparing Izzy vs Pereira fighting to Hail Mary's n Half Court shots were.. Izzy is the favorite not because "he was winning most of the fights."

Izzy is the favorite because in most people's minds he can win the fight in the most ways. Usually how the betting lines work, why Sandhagan was favored against Vera etc.

It must be hard to not be able to think that critically and use basketball n football to compare to something not even remotely similar as in fighting😂 your schooling system has failed tremendously.

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 7:11 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 7:13 PM ET

I don't even see the main event on bestfightodds.com? But this would be why Izzy is favored

Predictions: 5 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 340 Points   |   Tied for 3713th



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03.29.2023 | 7:24 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 525 Points   |   Tied for 469th

I can not fathom thinking that oddsmakers aren't using three previous fights to set the line for the fourth fight. And then in the next sentence talking about someone else being dumb. Head truly empty.
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03.29.2023 | 7:25 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

And that's to the casual bettor, anybody with some critical thinking that can rewatch fights will see. 

Alex was winning most of Round 1, Most of Round 4.. only rounds Izzy dominated was rounds 1 & 3 with his vast amount of abilities. 

Including clinch n wrestling, the betting lines are in favor of Adesanya due to a mix of casual people thinking Izzy dominated mire than he actually did because they haven't rewatched the fight

than the more detailed betters realizing if Izzy can wrestle and clinch to slow Pereira's pressure he can win. While also there's a possibility to win standing up just like Pereira.

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03.29.2023 | 7:26 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

You can only use 1 previous fight 😂😂 using 2 Glory Kickboxing matches don't really do **** about MMA, which again not being able to think critically 🤡🤦‍♂️ that's like comparing Cricket to Baseball 😂😂

Idk if you knew this. And stop trying to switch the narrative on my point. Obviously you can use the last fight but that's to a CASUAL bettor, that gives $ to bookies week n and week out.

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 7:42 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 7:27 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 525 Points   |   Tied for 469th

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03.29.2023 | 7:29 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

Haha keep comparing Hail Mary's n Half Court shots to MMA and imma keep making fun of your dumbass

Obviously the last fight has something to do with the odds OPENING the way they did, im talking about why the lines still have Izzy as a favorite because dumbasses like you think Izzy "dominated" the fight; but keep trying to be disingenuous while I stomp all over your soy ass lil boy

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 7:44 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 7:39 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 355 Points   |   Tied for 3381st

Chinny Guru needs to stop "analyzing" mma immediately.

Also calling people soy boys while wearing a beanie isn't a good look. And put your 25% body fat arm down, it's not impressing anyone. 

* Edited at 03.29.2023, 7:41 PM ET *

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03.29.2023 | 7:41 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 565 Points   |   Tied for 198th

If you think that's me 

#1 you are ********

#2 That's the KING MMA Guru. Dweeb 😂😂

You men love talking about other men's looks it's pretty halirous.

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