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UFC 278: Usman vs. Edwards 2

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Saturday 08.20.2022 at 06:30 PM ET
U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: ABC
Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
Ownership: Endeavor
Venue: Vivint Arena
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States
Enclosure: Octagon
TV Announcers: Jon Anik, Joe Rogan, Daniel Cormier
Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
Ticket Revenue (live gate): $4,297,655
Attendance: 18,321
PPV Buys / Buyrate: N/A | TV Ratings: 972,000 avg viewers (ABC prelims)
MMA Bouts: 12
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Bout		Info
Leon Edwards defeats Kamaru Usman via KO/TKO, Head Kick		4:04 Round 5 of 5, 24:04 Total Bout Page
Paulo Costa defeats Luke Rockhold via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Merab Dvalishvili defeats José Aldo via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Lucie Pudilová defeats Yanan Wu via KO/TKO, Elbows From Back Mount		4:04 Round 2 of 3, 9:04 Total Bout Page
Tyson Pedro defeats Harry Hunsucker via KO/TKO, Body Kick to Ground Strikes		1:05 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Marcin Tybura defeats Alexandr Romanov via Decision, Majority		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Jared Gordon defeats Leonardo Santos via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Sean Woodson vs. Luis Saldaña Ends in a Draw, Split		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Ange Loosa defeats AJ Fletcher via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Amir Albazi defeats Francisco Figueiredo via Submission, Rear Naked Choke		4:34 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Aoriqileng defeats Jay Perrin via Decision, Unanimous		3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Victor Altamirano defeats Daniel Lacerda via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound		3:39 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page

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danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:04 PM ET

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I think fighter pay is a touchy subject for MMA b/c if you look at any other combat organization that pays fighters what they want, those organizations either go bankrupt or have to lean heavily on the main event to bring in revenue. The UFC tries to pay fighters for their name value and the level of their performance, and if everything became a fixed salary, their wages and payroll expenses may exceed the budget for each event causing their net income to decrease which would be the opposite of what their profit has trended in the last few years. In order to increase pay, you need more people to buy tickets and PPVs. I do think limiting sponsorship money due to the company's own sponsorships is pretty scummy tho.

****les

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08.18.2022 | 5:06 PM ET

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Here's the thing:

PFL is the best working model of highly redistributive 'socialised' fighter pay.

And honestly? It ******* sucks. It is surely as doomed for extinction as the dodo. It basically ends up with ****** fighters being paid large sums of money to put on fights that may or may not even be entertaining on cards that are absolutely infested with unbearable levels of advertising. It's a promotion based on the idea that the fighters' interests come first and above a quality end product being delivered to the consumer. And that is commercial suicide.

Be careful what you wish for kids, because you just might get it.

* Edited at 08.18.2022, 5:18 PM ET *

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08.18.2022 | 5:07 PM ET

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I think fighter pay should be raised, but only base pay. For example, Harry hunsucker should not be making a million dollars a fight, but he shouldn’t be making 10k/10k (well, actually he probably should but yeah)

"“Unfortunately you can’t talk like that on FOX” - Joe Rogan"

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08.18.2022 | 5:07 PM ET

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@****les pettis gets 850k to lose🤣🤣🤣

"“Unfortunately you can’t talk like that on FOX” - Joe Rogan"

danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:09 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

I'm just looking at it in an accounting perspective since I have bachelor's degree in accounting and doing my masters this year

danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:11 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

Also PFL will never pass the UFC, but it is already a better ran organization than Bellator after around 3/4 years on ESPN now. I think Bellator screwed themselves over by doing a deal with Showtime.

papuhart

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08.18.2022 | 5:14 PM ET

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yeah, pfl sucks. ufc at early 10's had some terrible fights to watch. Jon Fitch, Jake Shields, Phil Davis and cia. They're good athletes, of course, but damn, tough to watch. That is one thing that i liked that ufc changed.

Entretaning fighters >

(I love grappling, but those dudes were lay and pray all day, and that sucks)

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****les

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08.18.2022 | 5:16 PM ET

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@danromanick we're not privy to UFC's financials. We don't know.

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danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:23 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

I just looked Endeavor's 2021 net income and it was at a loss actually. They had 5 million in revenue but had about 5.4 million dollars in expenses

* Edited at 08.18.2022, 5:23 PM ET *

Erison

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08.18.2022 | 5:24 PM ET

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"The market determines the value of the job you do." ehh, no it ****** doesnt. As evidenced by the surge in popularity in MMA and the grotesquely small rise in revenue share going to fighters. Their pay isn't rising with the value of the product they're making. Their labor is quite literally NOT being market valued. Some of y'all still clinging to trickle down economics as if that hasn't been statistically disproven by every metric.

And because the bar for competition is so ******* high, not just in terms of buy-in up front and licensing/broadcast rights, the name value war is won before it started. Just like there will never be a competitor to the NFL in our lifetime, PFL will NOT supercede UFC. There is a monopolistic market share that is largely set by name value alone. UFC is to American MMA as Q-Tip is to cotton swabs on sticks. And with a singular entity at the top: Dana. He doesn't and doesn't have to give a ****. The UFC dynamic is happening outside of however you think capitalism is supposed to work.

DrChaotic

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08.18.2022 | 5:26 PM ET

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Well that's not for the UFC. They wipe their ass with 5 million. That's one McGregor payday and they make it back tenfold practically every week.

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danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:26 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

Yea it didn't seem right to me b/c I thought about 3 PPVs make them 5 million

DrChaotic

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08.18.2022 | 5:27 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 490 Points | Tied for 1225th

Exactly. Where are you getting these numbers? The source is probably unreliable tbh

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danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:28 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

From the Endeavor Holding Company's 10k they filed to the SEC. They have to make it public b/c they are a public company

danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:30 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

But there's no way that revenue includes all of the UFCs revenue b/c then it would be at least 20 million

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08.18.2022 | 5:34 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 490 Points | Tied for 1225th

Yeah something's up with that. They make like a hundred million a year, and idk, lose 60 mil? Idk how finances work but they make a hell of a lot of money

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danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:39 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

There could be other private accounts and Dana could also just be paying out of pocket too b/c he makes money outside of the UFC since he's became so successful. Considering that it is hard to find an accurate number of PPV buys and actual salary each fighter makes for every PPV, I'm guessing there's a lot of numbers that are private

danromanick

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08.18.2022 | 5:40 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 440 Points | Tied for 2197th

Cause based off Endeavor's 2021 financials that they filed, they should be bankrupted by now tbh

Erison

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08.18.2022 | 5:43 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 10 Winners, 5 Perfect, 475 Points | Tied for 1614th

I think Duck actually blacked out and tapped into some deep wisdom there for a second. He nailed it by saying Leon has been underrated for so long now he's overrated. People have bought this mystique that he's night and day improved since the first fight. Can anyone point me to this? He's always been a sharp, well rounded striker. And he's still exactly that.

His only win in three years is surviving Nate Diaz. Before that, during the great unbeaten streak he was beating the likes of Bryan Barbarena, Gunnar Nelson, and RDA in the wrong weight class. I don't see any reason to believe he'll fare better in the wrestling this time around.

And it's Usman who has visibly tangibly certifiably improved his game since the first fight. Ignoring that he became a dominant champion and one of the greatest of all time in the interim, he went to a scientific mechanics focused striking coach and shored up the only hole in his game. I don't think the question should be "can Usman take Leon down?". I think the question should be "does he need to?"

* Edited at 08.18.2022, 5:43 PM ET *

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08.18.2022 | 6:00 PM ET

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"surviving Nate Diaz." Is such a funny way to describe a fight where Nate was getting the **** beaten out of him for 24 minutes of a five round fight.

"They're sorcerers they don't get knocked out"

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