UFC 286: Edwards vs. Usman 3

The official Tapology discussion thread for the event!

Ik it's honestly just stupid 

Hadleys tdd isn’t good enough yet to beat mokaev 

Lol. Hadley was exposed for Nascimento. 

Hope Gaethje wins, He been coping **** online for ducking contenders, But that not true because he fighting Fiziev now, And before that you can't really call him a ***** for fighting Khabib, Tony and Charles in 3 of your last 4 fight, Also Fiziev is an dangerous man too, Also, the only "easy" fight of Gaethje recent fights was a all time classic with Chandler,

Also, He is  the most entertaining fighter ever, So Expecting another classic from Gaethje 

Do people just not realize how good nascimento is? He beats most people in the top 10. If mokaev or taira got him in their debuts they wouldn’t be undefeated either

Nascimento is definitely really good but "beats most people in the top 10" is a huge a stretch. 

Ok maybe I should’ve said the top 15, not the top 10. I would favor him to beat schnell, perez, and dvorak (although perez and dvorak are close fights, schnell he blows out of the water). If we look at the top 15, most thought he beat tagir, he would beat Tim Elliot, mokaev (if they fought right now), Tyson nam, and sumudajeri  

So that’s… 8 out of the top 15 

* Edited at 03.13.2023, 9:42 PM ET *

I feel like we're mostly on the same page. I think Nascimento is going to be in the top 12-15 before long. He has a good shot in a lot of those matchups.

Elliot, Sumudaejeri? Almost certainly. And I agree I thought he beat Tagir.

But Mokaev, Perez and Dvorak? Those are tough fights and I can't just definitively say I think Nascimento wins them. He'd have a shot though for sure. 

* Edited at 03.13.2023, 10:33 PM ET *

@andres exactly, I don’t know how people don’t realize this. Getting out grappled by nascimento is not bad at all 

@foppa well I said dvorak and Perez would be close. Dvorak makes every fight close because he just isn’t active; I could see nascimento beating him in a close fight. Perez is also very talented, but nascimento can match him everywhere. Ultimately perez makes too many mistakes on the ground. For mokaev, if they were to fight right now I think nascimento would beat him pretty easily. In a few years maybe not but if you put them in the cage right now he would win and likely leave very little doubt 

* Edited at 03.13.2023, 10:35 PM ET *

Pretty much agree with all of that. I could see Mokaev winning a close decision basically just wrestling but could easily see him losing too. Him or Dvorak would be great step ups for Mokaev assuming he beats Filho.

UFC has twice now given Jai Herbert blown up featherweights to try and KO for his home crowd.

First Topuria (who he did rock but holy **** was that a mistake and he died) and now Klein, who seems like he's permanently staying at 155 (and is most definitely not Topuria).

Kind of like him as a dog, not gonna lie.

EDIT:Make that 3; honestly forgot he fought Kyle Nelson.

* Edited at 03.13.2023, 10:57 PM ET *

Idk the chin and tdd are too bad for me to back him. I also think 155 is the class for ludovit; he performs a lot better at this class despite being pretty undersized 

I don't think they're were planing on Jai to Ko Illa, I think the opposite, They're were plaining on Illa to Ko Jai as Jai was at least +400 in that fight, I don't think that one counts

Also to Mayo point, Klein is 0-2 when he made weight at featherweight, and 2-0 at lightweight, Also won another fight at a 150lb catchweight because he miss weight by 4lb at 145

* Edited at 03.13.2023, 11:11 PM ET *

Edwards vs Usman 3
Leon Edwards, DEC
I ambeing a bit biased but Leon has a solid chance here, he was losing 3-1 but he will be the most confident he has ever been, Usman on the other hand the least confident ever, Leon also won the round they was most fresh, yeah i am gonna use the elavation as an excuse i'm gonna be biased, regardless this is gonna be close imo

Gaethje vs Fiziev
Rafael Fiziev, DEC
This could go either way, Fiziev is so good but Gaethje is incredibly dangerous, this is a banger and FOTN on paper, Trevor Wittman 0-2

Nelson vs Barberena
Gunnar Nelson, SUB R2
Bam bam is good but i don't see how he wins this unless Gunnar weirdly chooses to brawl it'll be similar to the RDA fight, bam bam has no tdd or BJJ defence

Maia vs O'Neill
Casey O'Neill, DEC
She is just a lot younger, she is a bit overrated tho

Vettori vs Dolidze
Marvin Vettori, DEC
Very close fight, i think Vettori has better stand up, Dolidze has power but Vettori has a incredible chin, Vettori wins on pure volume

Shore vs Amirkhani
Jack shore, KO R3
Jack is better, i think he beats him everywhere, on the feet he will destroy Makwan, Makwan doesn't have good standup or cardio anymore, JSP destroyed him, idk why he moved up tho Ricky Simon is a beast

Duncan vs Morales
Chris Duncan, KO R1
If he don get a early ko he might lose, he doesn't have good cardio, i might change this pick

Patterson vs Ashmoz
Sam Patterson, SUB R1
Ashmoz isn't bad but he shouldn't of been signed straight to the ufc, he could of maybe been on the contender series, he is a wrestler who uses his striking to get the takedowns, his actual striking ain't good. Patterson is 6"3 at lw, he needs to learn to tuck the chin he is asking to be knocked out , Sam is very good on the mat, he has a very good guillotine, so i think he gets one as Ashmoz shoots

Mokaev vs Filho
Muhammad Mokaev, DEC
Mokaev is talented, his wrestling is amazing, Filho has power on the feet but his grappling is really good, his top control is nice with slick BJJ, he will probably be fine with lying on his back which is a worry vs a wrestler. I think Mokaev wins but the odds are insane ***

Murphy vs Santos
Lerone Murphy, KO R2
Nat wood would of beat Lerone imo. Santos is talented and only 26, his striking is very good, he attacks all areas with deadly kick, he can grapple too, he impressed me in his last fight vs Jose Delano. If he grapples he can win, Lerone has really bad TDD, on the feet i think Lerone wins and he has good power. This is a tough debut for santos

Duncan vs Todorovic
Christian Leroy Duncan, KO R1
Exited to see CLD's debut. Dusko is awful, his striking is alright but his chin is in the air and his head is massive and he doesn't move his head, he also has 12% TD accuracy in the UFC. CLD is so slick his style is like MVP's he is so good on the feet, one of the best prospects from England in a long time, he is so ******* fun too watch.

Hadley vs Gordon
Jake Hadley, KO R1
LTG Jake. His debut was awful however Nascimento gives most flyweights a ******* hard time, Hadley should keep this 1 standing his boxing is crisp and he has good forward pressure, Malcolm is sloppy on the feet with no chin, his grappling is good, his BJJ, Hadleys TDD is bad, if gordon gets it down i think Hadley will sub him from his back.

Wood vs Carolina
Joanne Wood, DEC
Jojo losses have come vs the new champ Grasso, Santos, Chookagian and Maia, robbed vs Murphy too. Jojo is a lot better than Carolina.

Klein vs Herbert
Jai Herbert, DEC
I'll back my boy Jai, it's scary because his chin is washed, this is gonna be a banger

* Edited at 03.14.2023, 2:58 AM ET *

Hadley vs. Gordon
Jake Hadley, DEC
Going back and forth on this one, honestly think the line should be more like -180 Hadley +150 Gordon.

Gordon has some pretty slick Submission skills and like to go start first round hot on the feet. Think there is like a 10% chance he clips Hadley but still. If Hadley shoots on him there is looming submission threat constantly from Gordon. Line too steep for the favorite IMO

* Edited at 03.14.2023, 1:32 AM ET *

Gaethje vs. Fiziev
Justin Gaethje, TKO, R1
**** ME THIS IS DIFFICULT