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- Saturday 05.20.2023 at 04:00 PM ET
- U.S. Broadcast: ESPN+
- Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
- Ownership: Endeavor
- Venue: UFC Apex
- Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
- Enclosure: Octagon
- TV Announcers: Brendan Fitzgerald, Paul Felder, Michael Bisping
- Ring Announcer: Joe Martinez
- Post-Fight Interviews: Michael Bisping
- MMA Bouts: 12
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Event Links:
| Bout | Info | |
|---|---|---|
| Mackenzie Dern defeats Angela Hill via Decision, Unanimous | 5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Anthony Hernandez defeats Edmen Shahbazyan via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound | 1:01 Round 3 of 3, 11:01 Total Bout Page | |
| Lupita Godinez defeats Emily Ducote via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Joaquin Buckley defeats Andre Fialho via KO/TKO, Head Kick | 4:15 Round 2 of 3, 9:15 Total Bout Page | |
| Diego Ferreira defeats Michael Johnson via KO/TKO, Overhand Right | 1:50 Round 2 of 3, 6:50 Total Bout Page | |
| Viacheslav Borshchev defeats Maheshate Hayisaer via KO/TKO, Right Hook to Ground Strikes | 2:37 Round 2 of 3, 7:37 Total Bout Page | |
| Karolina Kowalkiewicz defeats Vanessa Demopoulos via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Gilbert Urbina defeats Orion Cosce via KO/TKO, Front Kick to Body | 2:55 Round 2 of 3, 7:55 Total Bout Page | |
| Rodrigo Nascimento defeats Ilir Latifi via Decision, Split | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Chase Hooper defeats Nick Fiore via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page | |
| Natália Silva defeats Victoria Leonardo via KO/TKO, Punches and Head Kick | 2:58 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page | |
| Themba Gorimbo defeats Takashi Sato via Decision, Unanimous | 3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page |
Responses Page 10
05.14.2023 | 10:14 PM ET
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 685 Points | 199th Place
I don't want to speak for baremaras but I think what we mean by outstruck is pretty much outboxed, and that picture does not depict Edmen being outboxed
05.14.2023 | 10:21 PM ET
Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 3047th
@el222 if that's what he meant, he should have been clearer I suppose. I don't think it's on me to interpret that text as 'outboxed' when he wrote:
"edmen tends to getoutstruck" -who has outstruck edmen?
We're in an MMA context here, after all. And if he did mean that he'd still be wrong, because he did get outboxed by Brunson.
He also wrote:
how "COULD" they be true when there's literal evidence and footage that those things have never happened?
No such evidence exists.Evidence to the contrary exists. Anyone could confirm this by simply looking up the fight stats, or by rewatching the fight.
The answer to that question is Derek Brunson and more. For a poster who prides himself on being a professional gambler, that's probably information he should have been aware of IMO. Even I was able to recall this, and I'm barely paying attention to anything the vast majority of the time.
I agree the picture doesn't show him getting outstruck, because it isn't footage.
The stats show he did, though. I posted those too.
He also got outstruck by Hermannson.
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/7f8340dfe4220c3e
And by Imavov:
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/095a351dd6f09f7e
So I don't really understand why he thinks my contention that Edmen tends to lose when he gets outstruck is wrong, because it is objectively, quite literally true, and it is clearly the case that I am as right as it is possible to be, and he is as wrong as it is possible to be. Imagine how low I.Q you'd need to be to embark on a three-post-textwall apoplectic rant about the way in which somebody is wrong without even fact-checking to see if they're right first.
I don't think he understands how MMA scoring works. Strikes that land in GNP are as valid on the mat as they are on the feet.
I actually have no idea what he even means. I don't think he does either.
"edmen tends to getoutstruck" -who has outstruck edmen?
We're in an MMA context here, after all. And if he did mean that he'd still be wrong, because he did get outboxed by Brunson.
He also wrote:
how "COULD" they be true when there's literal evidence and footage that those things have never happened?
No such evidence exists.Evidence to the contrary exists. Anyone could confirm this by simply looking up the fight stats, or by rewatching the fight.
The answer to that question is Derek Brunson and more. For a poster who prides himself on being a professional gambler, that's probably information he should have been aware of IMO. Even I was able to recall this, and I'm barely paying attention to anything the vast majority of the time.
I agree the picture doesn't show him getting outstruck, because it isn't footage.
The stats show he did, though. I posted those too.
He also got outstruck by Hermannson.
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/7f8340dfe4220c3e
And by Imavov:
http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/095a351dd6f09f7e
So I don't really understand why he thinks my contention that Edmen tends to lose when he gets outstruck is wrong, because it is objectively, quite literally true, and it is clearly the case that I am as right as it is possible to be, and he is as wrong as it is possible to be. Imagine how low I.Q you'd need to be to embark on a three-post-textwall apoplectic rant about the way in which somebody is wrong without even fact-checking to see if they're right first.
I don't think he understands how MMA scoring works. Strikes that land in GNP are as valid on the mat as they are on the feet.
I actually have no idea what he even means. I don't think he does either.
* Edited at 05.14.2023, 11:17 PM ET *
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05.14.2023 | 10:29 PM ET
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 685 Points | 199th Place
I think you're arguing with a wall tbh. of course Brunson technically outstruck him, the numbers don't lie. but fair enough I guess he should've been more clear
05.14.2023 | 10:31 PM ET
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 4 Perfect, 685 Points | 199th Place
"Strikes that land in GNP are as valid on the mat as they are on the feet" he never said they weren't, that's just a strawman
* Edited at 05.14.2023, 10:43 PM ET *
05.15.2023 | 12:10 AM ET
Predictions: 5 of 8 Winners, 0 Perfect, 310 Points | 3678th Place
@el222 agree that odds seem a bit stiff for Fluffy. This fight slightly favors Fluffy & his confidence. Is Edmen progressing & building confidence or was his previous rude awakenings just signs of serious structural problems?
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05.15.2023 | 12:19 AM ET
Predictions: 5 of 8 Winners, 0 Perfect, 310 Points | 3678th Place
@el222 no you’re right@andygonzalezmma projection is their way.
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05.15.2023 | 2:05 AM ET
Bara
Predictions: 9 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 555 Points | Tied for 1326th
Edmund couldn’t even KO Brunson or Hermanson, I’m not going to expect him to finish Henrandez who has the same style which beat Edman every time, also Nassodine out wresle him, Hernandez has better grappling then that
Expecting Hernandez to grind his way to victory
Expecting Hernandez to grind his way to victory
"Quack quack quack"
05.15.2023 | 2:19 AM ET
Predictions: 9 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 555 Points | Tied for 1326th
Also to add, most time Edmun get out of the 1st round he become notably more ****, I don’t like 1 round fighter in divison that ain’t heavyweight, you need 2 round cardio to be successful at MMA
* Edited at 05.15.2023, 2:20 AM ET *
"Quack quack quack"
05.15.2023 | 3:53 AM ET
****les
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 7 Perfect, 755 Points | 26th Place
you keep exposing yourself that you do not watch MMA and don't have the slightest clue about it, LOL
you do realize that picture of Brunson and Edmen is a grappling scenario, right? how is that your evidence for Brunson OUTSTRIKING Edmen?
you keep bringing up stats and not footage because you haven't watched the fights, those stats are depicting ground and pound damage which is a result of grappling exchanges
I think it's really pointless arguing with you when you equate Brunson, Imavov and Hermansson outgrappling Edmen and landing ground and pound damage with outstriking him, that really is crazy LMAO
there you go friend, keyword here is "STANDING". educate yourself a little and please start watching a bit more because you're very obviously lacking in knowledge
you do realize that picture of Brunson and Edmen is a grappling scenario, right? how is that your evidence for Brunson OUTSTRIKING Edmen?
you keep bringing up stats and not footage because you haven't watched the fights, those stats are depicting ground and pound damage which is a result of grappling exchanges
I think it's really pointless arguing with you when you equate Brunson, Imavov and Hermansson outgrappling Edmen and landing ground and pound damage with outstriking him, that really is crazy LMAO
there you go friend, keyword here is "STANDING". educate yourself a little and please start watching a bit more because you're very obviously lacking in knowledge
* Edited at 05.15.2023, 4:00 AM ET *
05.15.2023 | 3:57 AM ET
damienhandler
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 7 Perfect, 755 Points | 26th Place
i don't know if you realize yourself how off topic you are and little sense you're making but i'll reply to you with the same anecdotal logic
Anderson Silva couldn't knock out Brunson either
Dricus and Israel couldn't knock out Tavares but Edmen did
Hermansson has only been cleanly knocked out by Cannonier and Thiago Santos
*** is your point?
Anderson Silva couldn't knock out Brunson either
Dricus and Israel couldn't knock out Tavares but Edmen did
Hermansson has only been cleanly knocked out by Cannonier and Thiago Santos
*** is your point?
05.15.2023 | 4:01 AM ET
Predictions: 8 of 9 Winners, 0 Perfect, 400 Points | Tied for 3071st
You all about serious breakdown and analysis fights after fights and yet you keep on losing every fight events. Why not make it concise and simple.
05.15.2023 | 4:04 AM ET
Predictions: 8 of 9 Winners, 0 Perfect, 400 Points | Tied for 3071st
Edmen may win by hairline on the basis of his clean striking IF Hernandez grappling wouldn't work.
That as simple as that you bums
That as simple as that you bums
05.15.2023 | 4:11 AM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 8 of 9 Winners, 0 Perfect, 400 Points | Tied for 3071st
Dern vs. Hill
Mackenzie Dern
Decision
Shahbazyan vs. Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez
Decision
Johnson vs. Ferreira
Diego Ferreira
Decision
Kowalkiewicz vs. Demopoulos
Karolina Kowalkiewicz
Decision
Latifi vs. Nascimento
Rodrigo Nascimento
Decision
Hooper vs. Fiore
Chase Hooper
Decision
Leonardo vs. Silva
Natália Silva
Decision
Sato vs. Gorimbo
Takashi Sato
Decision
Mackenzie Dern
Decision
Shahbazyan vs. Hernandez
Anthony Hernandez
Decision
Johnson vs. Ferreira
Diego Ferreira
Decision
Kowalkiewicz vs. Demopoulos
Karolina Kowalkiewicz
Decision
Latifi vs. Nascimento
Rodrigo Nascimento
Decision
Hooper vs. Fiore
Chase Hooper
Decision
Leonardo vs. Silva
Natália Silva
Decision
Sato vs. Gorimbo
Takashi Sato
Decision
05.15.2023 | 4:13 AM ET
Predictions: 6 of 12 Winners, 2 Perfect, 405 Points | Tied for 3047th
@baremaras the point is, you are objectively wrong. I gave you three examples of Edmen being outstruck. It doesn't matter what you think about that. It's just math.And yes, Brunson did outstrike him on the feet, and yes, ground strikes count. Have you never seen a fight in which somebody gets beaten up from the bottom?
Brunson literally finished him by KO/TKO. How do you suppose he did that if he's supposedly never been outstruck? He was getting beaten up on the feet before that even happened.
You can watch Brunson tool him up standing here, regardless. Edmen was only roughly even with him in R1. As the fight went on, he got worse and worse, as he always does. He's a one-round fighter who has literally never beaten anyone good.
Yes, he should be the underdog. Perhaps not so much a large underdog, but an underdog all the same.The bookies are right, and you are an angry man on the internet. Hernandez has many more ways to win than he does, and as the fight goes on, it favours him more and more.
Brunson literally finished him by KO/TKO. How do you suppose he did that if he's supposedly never been outstruck? He was getting beaten up on the feet before that even happened.
You can watch Brunson tool him up standing here, regardless. Edmen was only roughly even with him in R1. As the fight went on, he got worse and worse, as he always does. He's a one-round fighter who has literally never beaten anyone good.
Yes, he should be the underdog. Perhaps not so much a large underdog, but an underdog all the same.The bookies are right, and you are an angry man on the internet. Hernandez has many more ways to win than he does, and as the fight goes on, it favours him more and more.
* Edited at 05.15.2023, 4:14 AM ET *
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05.15.2023 | 4:18 AM ET
****les
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 7 Perfect, 755 Points | 26th Place
you didn't reply to anything I said and very conveniently ignored the picture with the definition of what "striking" means in the context of MMA
you seem unable to argue within the constraints of widely agreed upon definitions in the MMA world by both fans and experts and you also seem unable to present any arguments worth responding to so i'm going to let you be, have fun thinking ground and pound is striking and not grappling
you seem unable to argue within the constraints of widely agreed upon definitions in the MMA world by both fans and experts and you also seem unable to present any arguments worth responding to so i'm going to let you be, have fun thinking ground and pound is striking and not grappling
05.15.2023 | 4:26 AM ET
Predictions: 9 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 555 Points | Tied for 1326th
He might catch him, but I don’t like praying on a 2 minute finish because statistically that don’t happen unless you fighting someone fragile or a jabroni and Hernandez is neither, most likely he going to use his pace and gas out Shabiazion
Edmun 1st round could be worth it, i personally don’t like 1 round fighter and especially if they fighting a cardio monster
Also Brunson was Silva only MMA win since 2012, Don’t use 2017 Silva as an example becuase he wasn’t champ Silva
Edmun 1st round could be worth it, i personally don’t like 1 round fighter and especially if they fighting a cardio monster
Also Brunson was Silva only MMA win since 2012, Don’t use 2017 Silva as an example becuase he wasn’t champ Silva
"Quack quack quack"
05.15.2023 | 5:42 AM ET
Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 1 Perfect, 450 Points | Tied for 2610th
Ive went Fiahlo cause Buckley has been cracked and is going down a division so he will be MORE compromised. This is a Garbrandt v Kai moment. Fiahlo can definitely get ko'd himself but if he can work off calf kicks and get in close quarters and land uppercuts / knees he should be able to get the W
05.15.2023 | 6:11 AM ET
Predictions: 10 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 625 Points | Tied for 611th
@****les 65% after 100 picks...I'm curious, is this an alt? Or are you new to tapology, but act as if you've been here for years...?
Always baffles me when these pick % touters and people who claim to know all so much sit here and type with no track record. We're talking 100-300 UFC picks at 65% for the both of you (which I will admit is still impressive), and you'd think these were veterans of tapology going back and forth. Looks like you arguing about the most pointless **** with someone seems to be a normality with that post count in less than a year.
There was so much talking/fighting about pointless ****, I couldn't even understand any reasons why either of you liked the fighter or side you're on in the actual fight this weekend. Talked more about Derek Brunson (who isn't even fighting), than any examples or reasons why you like the fighters IN THE FIGHT vs each other. 😄
Always baffles me when these pick % touters and people who claim to know all so much sit here and type with no track record. We're talking 100-300 UFC picks at 65% for the both of you (which I will admit is still impressive), and you'd think these were veterans of tapology going back and forth. Looks like you arguing about the most pointless **** with someone seems to be a normality with that post count in less than a year.
There was so much talking/fighting about pointless ****, I couldn't even understand any reasons why either of you liked the fighter or side you're on in the actual fight this weekend. Talked more about Derek Brunson (who isn't even fighting), than any examples or reasons why you like the fighters IN THE FIGHT vs each other. 😄
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05.15.2023 | 7:21 AM ET
Prediction Comments
Predictions: 8 of 12 Winners, 3 Perfect, 545 Points | Tied for 1486th
Dern vs. Hill
Mackenzie Dern, SUB, R2
-Dec no bet dern
Mackenzie Dern, SUB, R2
-Dec no bet dern