McGregor vs. Siver

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Siver is definitely buying less into Mcgregor's trash talk than Poirier did. Dustin got very emotional and "gotten to" by McGoat and it probably affected his performance. Siver seemed pretty stoic at the press conference and had the right responses: "I just took this fight b/c the UFC wanted me to take this fight." 

McGregor needs to be more careful about toeing the line between trash talk and sounding like a stupid *******. 

Don't know how much the mental aspect will come into play, though. McGregor's faster, younger, taller, has a reach advantage, etc. 

@fglop I feel that when trash talking has to go through a translator it loses some of its potency. Kind of hard to feel intimidated when it's a middle-aged, monotone speaking guy, who minored in German, telling you, you  suck.

@PilloryChoke I completely agree with you that McGregor has to be more careful while walking the fine line between trash talking and being an *******, especially when 90% of your market value is pretty much what you say and how you act. A lot of people (including myself) are loving his attitude right now, but if he keeps saying stuff like this, he'll lose some fan base.

I would agree with all you guys, but honestly no fight fans really care at all. They don't get the weight that calling someone a Nazi has in Germany and most Americans still joke about Germany in that way regularly and don't really care. The whole PC-bleached US has definitely not reached the UFC, I mean Dana White can still call people ******* and ******s and nobody cares. So I really don't know why you guys think this lessens McGregor's value, especially since his **** talking is the main reason people started liking him (before anyone knew he could actually fight).

Dana can still call people ******s? You clearly didn't see how much trouble he got into like.....5 YEARS ago for that and hasn't said it publicly since. And no, people don't all the time call Germans Nazi's in the US either, I can't really recall it happening much at all personally nor in the media.

I can't really remember the last time Dana said *****, but what we can't have any swear words? Everyone knows political correctness is ******** anyways.

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The media is a different story because of all the on-air regulations, but most people I know don't see Nazi or it's implications as offensive particularly. And what trouble did he get in, exactly? Your definition of trouble must be pretty sensitive if you think an admonishment in the online media (not even network coverage) is getting in trouble. He literally faced zero consequences. And you think McGregor takes a hit for that? Yeah I really doubt it.

"I'm pretty sure they do base their rankings on media rankings but I'm as sure that they're manipulated for marketing fights and that the UFC most definitely play around with them a bit."


@Yoss the thing is all of the writers that vote have their rankings posted on the UFC website. Now the UFC could be changing those to make it appear how they want, but that is up to the writers to make sure that doesn't happen. I have no clue if it does or not, but the writers suck ass if they sit by and let it happen. As for people moving up and down, writers are swayed by hype sometimes (which sucks) but also some writers don't always update their rankings. I have seen it a bunch too that a guy moves up or down and some times it is simple that writers that had them (higher or lower) didn't rank this go around. Again not excusable, they should be held accountable. End of the day the UFC can take any of their rights away if they don't like them lol.




@michigandolphin - I don't think Lentz is easier at all. I just know that people would complain no matter which fight he took. 






As for all this Nazi talk. I don't think "most Americans" call Germans nazi's unless they are the same uneducated people calling all different cultures slurs. I like fighters based on their in cage style/performance which is why I can still be a fan of people like Rousey. So I still like McGregor.

Yeah, I don't think calling someone (even a German) a Nazi is like calling someone the N word. Not even close, what if he called him a fascist? The nazi's were a party, not a race or something.

Remember the soup nazi from Seinfeld? It's not that bad a word, seriously. Grammar nazi, that nazi *****, etc. In no way is it even close IMO.

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thousands of good people were forced to fight and die for the nazi party.  the vast majority of people in the German infantry were not not Nazis, and were just kids who didnt know what was happening.  Nazis killed millions on both sides.  for the west ww2 ended in the 1940s, but in Germany, the felt the repercussions of that war right up up until the 90s.  Imagine if your dad had to go to war for the nazi party because  they wanted to kill jews and had his brains blown out.  then imagine someone years later called you a nazi.  we tend to think of ww2 as tragic for everyone else, and Germans were the bad guys, but we forget for 90% of the population at the time, it was tragic for them too.  we havent experienced a tragedy as bad as the world wars, not even close, so people forget the horrors of war, on both sides.

60 million people died in ww2.  think about that. thats almost twice the size of canada.  Imagine if all your uncles, your dad, and your grandpa died because the were forced to fight for the nazi party.  then imagine your country brought to ruins, for years after the war ends.  the world hates you now, because of a handful of people. imagine the hate you would grow up with, for the Nazi party.   then imagine some dude telling you "kiss my feet nazi".

You need to go back and take a look at history. Hitler rebuilt Germany, he did great things for that Country before WW2 and his people were 100 % behind him. They were not forced, and yes they were involved in the Nazi party. Sorry but calling a German a nazi is no where close to calling someone a ******. It's not even on the same page.

If it was, the term would not be used so widely in historical terms. It's not even close bud.

Remember when Hitler was listed as "Man of the Year"?

pretty weird.

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@Flying Frontkick are you from Germany?

No, I am not. I am from Canada.

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The average German didnt even know about jews being murdered, none of them understood what was going on.  he lied blatantly to the people.  ever hear the story of the allied troops marching some citizens through a concentration camp?  they went in all smiles and all came out in tears.  nobody wants to slaughter a race. are you saying 100% of Germans were saying "**** yea adolf gas the jews!"?. he built up the country, earned there trust, and used that trust to wage a bloody war that nobody wanted.  conscription started in Germany in 1935. open a textbook.  Germany was in ruins after world war 2.  at the end of the war Hitler was losing his marbles, he knew he wasnt going to win, he knew he was going to kill millions of germans if he didnt surrender, and he didnt.  the fact you dont understand that hitler used heavy propaganda and flat out lied to his people means your simply ignorant about wourld war 2.  and again, 60 ******* million people. to put that in perspective, only 400000 slaves were sent to north america, and 10 million world wide, those were the ones who made it to the new world alive. if all your friends and relitives died in a war your country started, would you support it?

negro means black on spanish, and depending on the accent it can sound a lot like there saying ******, which is where the word came from.  i dated a girl from nicaragua and when she said black in spanish it sounded a like she was saying ******.  i almost **** mah pants the first time she said it while she was talking in spanish on the phone.  just because we accept nazi as a word doesnt mean Germans do.  spanish say negro (and i **** you not, again, Nicaraguan chick was basically shouting ****** on the phone in public) a lot. doesnt mean we should say it.
in my personal opinion, calling a black person a ****** is atleast just as bad as calling a german a nazi, i dont really feel like debating this tonight, but at the end of the day, you wouldnt call either of them it to there face.

Conor no matter what should be punished in some way, maybe no a suspension or a fine, but maybe an apologie better then "ich bin ein sowwy", which literally means "i am a sowwy"

This has taken a turn from debating about the use of the term 'Nazi' to something I don't even care about. There was a German exchange student in my HS, he used the world Nazi and so did we. Nobody gave any ****s.

My great grandfather moved his family from Germany and changed their name, he fought in WW1 out of Canada and my grandfather fought in WW2. Seems like they had a choice, and they didn't get here easily.

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I once had a friend who was a gay black Nazi. True story.