Topic: St-Pierre vs. Hendricks
Who won, GSP or Hendricks?
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11.17.2013 | 1:03 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
DOWN vote me if you scored it for Hendricks.
Let's see the tally, folks.
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11.18.2013 | 12:43 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
You notice that he only did it when GSP wasn't in the room? To declare yourself the 'true champion' verbally is beyond disrespectful. It is ignorant. And that level of ignorance rises to the level of '*******'.
There are unspoken rules of respect.
@CT My hero! We disagree on safe fighting. He truly abandoned safe fighting. True he couldn't take Hendricks down but that is beside the point. He still had the option of fighting safe. He could have *****ed out and gotten on his bicycle and fought from the outside.
But he was too much a man to ***** out. He stayed IN THE POCKET, in mortal danger, and fought tooth and nail and probably suffered concussions! Yet, he stayed in the pocket, and traded with a killer striker.
He absolutely refused to kick and run, use guerilla warfare, hit and run, dodge and weave, in and out. He didn't fight like Condit fought Diaz or Edgar fought Penn.
GSP accepted the challenge and stayed in close, in harm's way, and traded and exchanged with a guy with bombs for hands.
So, your analysis that he 'only' abandoned safe fighting is incorrect. We disagree as close friends and allies. I will upvote you forever. Pleasure to spar with you, CT. Keep up the great work!
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11.18.2013 | 12:51 AM ET
Prediction: wrong Hendricks wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 1
11.18.2013 | 1:00 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
"If I have a goal, then it is to escape from this literalism. I'll never achieve it; in the same way that I'll never manage to describe what really dwells within my character, although I keep on trying."
11.18.2013 | 2:01 AM ET
49-46 Hendricks
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
- Round 1
- Hendricks 10 GSP 9
- Round 2
- Hendricks 10 GSP 9
- Round 3
- Hendricks 9 GSP 10
- Round 4
- Hendricks 10 GSP 9
- Round 5
- Hendricks 10 GSP 9
Hendricks won 4 rounds in my eyes....... but the 5th was close
Round 1,2, and 4 were clearly won by Big Rig.
"**** Jon Jones"
11.18.2013 | 2:07 AM ET
So Close
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
Im a Big GSP fan but he lost that ****** fight.
"**** Jon Jones"
11.18.2013 | 2:49 AM ET
Prediction: wrong Hendricks wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 1
"30-26 Tim Boetsch"
11.18.2013 | 4:56 AM ET
I watched the fight live and said Hendricks won then (when I was all excited and into it and not looking at it from a technical scoring aspect), I just re-watched the fight tonight to score the fight now that the excitement died down, and gave it to GSP. I think this is one of those fights where the 10 point must system doesn't really work. I think Hendricks won the fight however GPS out scored Hendricks.
Round 1 - GSP 10-9
Striking goes to Hendricks - he landed the harder/cleaner big shots
Aggression goes to GSP - it was GSP that was throwing more volume and making more attempts to end the fight (even though Hendricks had more effective attempts to end the fight)
Octagon control goes to GSP - George was coming foreword more and trying to cut the cadge off
Grappling goes to GSP - not much happened on the ground both men had a few sek on top but GSP tried the sub and Hendricks did noting from the top
Round 2 - Big Rig 10-9
Striking goes to Hendricks - those big shots that staggered GSP give striking to Hendricks in dominant fashion
Aggression goes to Hendricks - He pushed the pace and tried hard to finish GSP
Octagon control goes to Hendricks - from pushing GSP back with the big shots or pushing him to the cadge Hendricks dictated where the fight took place
Grappling goes to Hendricks - what little grappling took place was Hendricks pushing GSP up against the fence
Round 3 - GSP 10-9
Striking goes to GSP - no real big strikes landed this round but GSP landed a lot more
Aggression goes to GSP - Gsp had a higher volume thrown
Octagon controll goes to GSP - This was close this round but Hendricks came foreword cutting the cadge off only in small bursts where GSP was slowly coming foreword cutting Hendricks off most of the round
Grappling goes to Hendricks - The few seconds of grappling in this round had GSP on the fence or on his back
Round 4 - Hendricks 10-9
Striking goes to Hendricks - the big flurry that pushed GSP back on his ass + good GNP
Aggression goes to Hendricks - He threw more and looked for the fignish more
Octagon control goes to Hendricks - he backed GSP up for most of this round
grappling goes to Hendricks - GSP on his back or on the fence for most of the grappling
Round 5 - GSP 10-9
Striking goes to GSP - his high volume body head combos and a couple nice kicks
Aggression goes to GSP - He threw a lot more in this round
Octagon control goes to GSP - he cnstantly pushed foreword and initiated the grappling, Hendericks was more reactive this round than proactive
Grappling goes to GSP - Hendricks was on his back more and it was about 50/50 who was against he fence more
So despite Hendricks doing more damage and coming closer to the finish GSP out points him 48-47
I hope for instant rematch because this was a good fight even with the sour taste it leaves in your mouth. I love both fighters and cant wait to see them fight again in a rematch or not.
11.18.2013 | 9:32 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
I'm so glad for one thing. On bellator 106. Dana White smailed for one bad decision by judges in Alvarez's fight, No he was crying for bad decision. That is the #KARMA
11.18.2013 | 10:12 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre wrong Submission wrong Round 5
11.18.2013 | 11:54 AM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
Still, Hendricks won the fight as a whole. But I do think a 48-47 is justified either way. I think one of the issues with the fight is that the rounds GSP won, he edged, where the rounds Hendricks won, he clearly won.
"When a game cannot be won, change the game."
11.18.2013 | 12:16 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
11.18.2013 | 12:19 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre wrong Submission wrong Round 4
people will almost never agree in these kind of fight because there are a lot of subjective things when scoring a fight, part of it are hard plain numbers, how many strikes, how many takedowns, how many knockdowns, visible damage, but agression, dominance, cage control are somewhat subjective and depends on the eye of the beholder, they could've scored the fight to Hendricks and we would be having the same conversation, except the other way around.
the fight was close, Hendricks looked closer to finishing the fight but he didn't, GSP endured and even won the last round, a split decision either way is the right call for me which means we definitely need a rematch.
my 2 cents
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11.18.2013 | 12:19 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre wrong Submission wrong Round 5
11.18.2013 | 1:06 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
I've watched this fight 4 times now.
Initially, and @BrazilianJitz will be the first to point out, I scored it for GSP. But after the celebration I realised bias may be pushing me in GSP's direction.
The deciding factor was Round 1. 2 and 4 were clearly Hendrick's with 3 & 5 being GSP's.
I though GSP's take down in the first was great, he was more aggressive and the guillotine attempt was the icing on the cake. BUT, that being said, I could see how some would score it for Hendricks. Too close to call and I would definitely like to see a rematch.
* Edited at 11.18.2013, 1:07 PM ET *
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11.18.2013 | 3:36 PM ET
I think Skelliher hit the nail on the head, GSP only took the rounds he won by small margin where Hendricks won both of his rounds clearly.
The bottom line, you want GSP's belt you have to finish him. GSP is the absolute master of the 10 point must system. I really don't see any one out pointing GSP.
11.18.2013 | 7:03 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
"If I have a goal, then it is to escape from this literalism. I'll never achieve it; in the same way that I'll never manage to describe what really dwells within my character, although I keep on trying."
11.18.2013 | 9:06 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre wrong Submission wrong Round 4
Back to my original statement let's look at Glenn Trowbridge for a moment. The guy is notoriously one of the worst judges in boxing/MMA. The first point to that was just Saturday night he was the judge who picked Rory over Lawler. Now I was rooting for Rory and I'm a Rory fan but there is no way he won against Lawler. Another example is in a boxing match between Brandon Rios and Richard Abril last year. Trowbridge scored the fight for Rios (115-113) when it was clear to literally every person who watched that fight that Abril won and by a lot. It was such a bad decision many believed it was a "fix." Watch it for yourself if you don't believe me. Another example is UFC 106. Forrest Griffin vs Tito Ortiz 2. If you remember that fight you'll know Forrest clearly won. In fact some had it 30-26 in favor of Forrest. Not Trowbridge though. Guy gave it to Ortiz 29-28. One of his colleagues called him the "most dangerous man in the sport" and another colleague tried to get his license taken away from him.
I know this fight was very close and I'm not arguing that. Giving the 1st round to Hendricks is obviously not the worst thing he's ever done. You just have to wonder that a guy who has this kind of reputation really knows what he's doing. When Dana goes on his rant about incompetence from the judges Trowbridge is the poster boy.
In the end GSP/Hendricks 2 has to happen to settle the controversy. Same with Jones/Gus. The worst thing you can have is controversy in title fights.
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11.18.2013 | 10:10 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Hendricks wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 1
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11.18.2013 | 10:29 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Hendricks wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 1
Q. Jackson def. L. Machida 29-28
P. Davis def. L. Machida 29-28
N. Ring def. R. ***uda 29-28
D. Sanchez def. M. Kampmann 29-28
E. Figueroa def. A. Caceres 28-27
I. Pokrajac def. F. Maldonado 30-27
J. Head def. B. Ebersole 28-29
C. Guida def. H. Hioki 29-28
P. Cote def. B. Voelker 29-28
K. Gastelum def. U. Hall 28-29
J. Shields def. T. Woodley 29-28
F. Maldonado def. J. Beltran 27-30
M. Gamburyan def. C. Miller 29-28
E. Herman def. T. Smith 27-30
Glenn Trowbridge might be a **** judge as well, he probably is but this should tell you how random those idiots score fights and that your argument is worthless here.
D'amato gets alot of his calls right but he also has been part of some of the worst robberies in UFC history.
Looking over his mmadecisions.com profile is crazy. It's insane that one guy can do so much harm and still judge every other card. Dude is desrtoying this sport and nobody seems to care...at all!
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11.18.2013 | 10:55 PM ET
Prediction: correct St-Pierre correct Decision
I've ended to watch again the fight. And this is what i thik.
* Hendricks won two rounds very clear, Round 2-4. No doubts.
* Gsp won round 3 very clear.
Round 1, it was very closed. it could be 10-10 or 10- 9.8 for GSP. But 9.8 doesn't exist
Round 5, It was more clear for GSP than Round 1.
To resume. It's so complicated to decide who was the winner. It's going to a lot of opinions from differents sides.
I hate when the judges screwed up. But in this time, it is not very clear the decision. Because each person has a different way to seeing things and evaluate.