Condit vs Lawler

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Condit vs Lawler

Woodly vs Hendricks


I am not mad at this at all. I love these fights and if this is accurate.
http://www.lowkickmma.com/ufc-3/report-lawler-vs-condit-hendricks-vs-woodley-for-ufc-194/

#lawyered

Alright Franklin I realize your comprehension skills aren't that good so we'll just make it easy. If Condit fights Hendricks or Woodley or any fighter with good wrestling again and his TDD in those individual fights aren't at least at the average UFC rate then he will lose. You have to remember what judges look at it and they obviously look at a takedown whether you do anything with it or not as a significant move. Being on your back attempting a triangle is not going to get it done. Since  Condit has come back from his knee injury he has worked feverishly to improve his TDD because unlike you he recognizes that's what's going to take his game to the next level. 

Before you sit back all proud of yourself for actually being right about something for a change let's see if he gets past Lawler first. If he does and rematches Hendricks and Woodley and beats the both of them (which I'll be rooting for him to do) and he still can't defend a takedown then I will gladly say I was wrong and you were right. But the chances of him doing that are about as good as Bethe beating Ronda by 1st round arm bar this Saturday so good luck little buddy.

"Alright Franklin I realize your comprehension skills aren't that good so we'll just make it easy."

This is hilarious given the fact you keep missing the major point of my argument and proceeded to miss it yet again below.


" If Condit fights Hendricks or Woodley or any fighter with good wrestling again and his TDD in those individual fights aren't at least at the average UFC rate then he will lose. "


Except for the fact he already proven to be good enough on the ground to negate his lack of TDD.  Which he did by triangling woodly instantly when they hit the ground and by beating hendricks everytime he took condit to the ground. One fight could have gone either way and like I said earlier, most people recognize condit would have won if it had been a 5 rounder and the other fight he blow out his knee in a freak accident. Neitherfight did he have any issues when he was on the ground. Again you keep not factoring in that we are talking about 5 round fights, which both Hendricks and Woodly can't keep the type of pace needed to repeatedly take someone like condit down, which we have already seen by hendrick completely gassing and getting worked by condit in the 3rd.


"You have to remember what judges look at it and they obviously look at a takedown whether you do anything with it or not as a significant move. Being on your back attempting a triangle is not going to get it done."

Except it will in a 5 round fight when they can't hope to keep the pace up and they are getting worked everytime they go to the ground with him. Woodly had nothing for condit on the ground, which was evidence by the fact as soon as he took carlos don't he was completely negated and put into a triangle which he only excpaed by being a physical beast and powering out of it, which he can only do for so long. Also not to mention Kim who has amazing top control, could not do anything to condit once he got on top, he was instantly reversed.


 "Since  Condit has come back from his knee injury he has worked feverishly to improve his TDD because unlike you he recognizes that's what's going to take his game to the next level. "


Condit been working on improving his take down defense since before the GSP fight. This is nothing new, which is why like I said 4 times to you already, it has improved which is evident by his fight with Kampman in which Kampman could only get him down in the first and then was unable to the rest of the fight.


"Before you sit back all proud of yourself for actually being right about something for a change let's see if he gets past Lawler first. If he does and rematches Hendricks and Woodley and beats the both of them (which I'll be rooting for him to do) and he still can't defend a takedown then I will gladly say I was wrong and you were right. But the chances of him doing that are about as good as Bethe beating Ronda by 1st round arm bar this Saturday so good luck little buddy."

Oh please, prettty much everytime we argue, it me proving you wrong. Mister Nate M the second best welter weight in the world, and we saw how right you where about that right?


Well be prepared to be telling me im right, because that what going to happen. All condit going to do is let them tire themselfs out trying to wrestle him, then once they slow down, he going to maul them.  So I will be accepting your apologies within a year and haft I suspect.

* Edited at 07.28.2015, 2:38 PM ET *

I am a fan of both fights, and I think solid points were made on some of the initial points- Hendricks is a pain in the ass to deal with, and it was funny you said woodly gets out of 5 rounders cause I cant think of one he has been in- except in strikeforce? I could be wrong-
I love the Condit title fight tho- rankings be damned. Those are manipulated bu the Brass to suit their needs anyway and Lawler with Condit has EPIC writtin all over it.
I cant stand Hendricks style of fighting anyway; all I see is his bull rush, grab the back of the head and upper cut. Its like a GIF of that the whole time he fights.
I know their is more to it, that's just what happens to my screen anytime he fights on it. I dunno who wins either fight at any rate.

@last-stand I can understand disliknig Hendricks as many many people do, but to discredit his fighting style as nothing more then bull rush, grab the back of the hand, and upper cut is just horribly stupid. Hendrick's use of collar ties to move his opponent and as a means of transition between uppercuts hooks and knees makes him IMO one of the most technical clinch fighters in that regard. 

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/2/7310557/johny-hendricks-vs-robbie-lawler-ii-ufc-181-judo-chop-wrestle-boxer-mma-technique-gif

I cant explain it- it literally happens every time he fights- My tv, computer, even my phone- its just a GIF of him doing that. :)

I fully acknowledge that he is a skilled fighter, and I disagree that he has a top tier clinch game, I stand by my statement- I don't think that their is a terrible amount of skill- a lot of wrestling strength and brute force, again, that's my observation- and that's what I think, as horribly stupid as you may think it is.
 I know their is a reason he was the champion and will continue to be a force in the division. I don't care for him as a fighter and I am entitled to that.  It is all personal preference, as is almost anything on forums.
I appreciate your response one way or another.

Hendricks is very skilled whether you like him or not.

@Last stand I find that you over-generalization of wrestling as Hinton more then two unskilled opponents butting heads and just squeezing with all their huge muscles rather insulting to the sport. Seeing as how you're so poorly educated you are concerning wrestling, may i suggest that you go the Amateur Wrestling thread I started so you can learn more.  

I love the Condit/Lawler fight and don't know who to root for.  Hands down two of the most entertaining fighters in MMA.  Therefore I'm excited for this throw down. 

That being said, I agree with you, CtJones. I do want to see a rematch in the near future. I also thought Hendricks won both fights. I actually thought he beat GSP too.  Though, I wouldn't call either a robbery. 

Though, it could be considered karma, as I thought Hendricks lost to Koscheck and Pierce. 

I knew he was good but not as good as he's turned out. I did win a few $ on Story though.  I would've liked to see Story vs Pierce after they stopped training together. Pierce was one of the more undervalued guys in the game for a long time, IMO. 

This fight is so ******* good. Holy ****. I cannot wait. 

@Cthulhu, you hit the nail on the head. Hendricks doesn't approach a fight as a fight, he scores. If he can't get the KO he starts overthinking.

"I was scoring, I got the TD at the end of the round", stuff like that.

I also believed he won the second fight against Lawler if you're counting won rounds (which as far as I know, we still are) but I also think that if you look at it as a complete fight, Lawler won so I'm happy the decision did go his way (also, because I actually scored the first fight for Lawler due to jack **** happening when Johny did take him down and I'm reluctant to score TDs that lead to nothing unless absolutely nothing else happened in the round, then I use it as a tie-breaker - as I would a guard pull too by the way).

The only thing I disagree with is that he started doing it after the GSP fight. I think he always did that, left-overs from his wrestling career. It was just less noticable because he was KOing guys left and right (mostly left). Look at the Koscheck and Pierce fights. When he can't get the KO, he stops fighting and starts scoring, which is why he's so shocked every time he loses a decision because he's decided on a set of parameters that if all are fulfilled, you won the round while as MMA judging is so all over the place you can't really do that.
Anyways, given that I personally scored the Condit, Pierce, Koscheck and 1st Lawler fights against him, I've got absolutely no issues with Karma biting him on the ass in the Lawler rematch.

@nogfan

I am sorry that you are getting all riled up about my comments; it is something you clearly care about, and I don't want you to misconstrue any of my comments.
I didn't over generalize anything. I spoke of Big Rigs clinch. I don't care for his style and his clinch does not seem technical to me, it seems to be muscling it more than any particular technique. My observation. Nothing more. 

For the record, I follow your amateur wrestling thread- it is well done, very informative and shows a passion for the sport.
 I wrestled for a number of years and I am a high school wrestling coach, I love the sport and always will- so feel free to chastise me- and seemingly over react to something I didn't even say.

This thread cracks me up from the Condit wins all 5 round fights to the hendrix won the 2nd Lawler fight this **** is hilarious.

Please explain how you KNOW Condit wins those fights if they are 5 rounds.

Woodley is a bafoon and won't fight anyone from ATT.

While I would like to think Condit wins that fight with Woodley the knee injury means we can only speculate the outcome.  

Stating Condit wins any 5 round fight is pretty ludicrous if you ask me.

Oh and I am a huge NBK mark too.

This is fresh coming from the guy who repeatedly tried to argue that Roids where not beneficial to fighters and did not have impact on the outcome of fights. Which is the single most hilarious argument I have ever heard on this forum.

* Edited at 07.30.2015, 4:25 PM ET *