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05.01.2011 | 1:17 AM ET

You just beat a opponent who was on a 15 fight win streak....at the BIGGEST UFC event of all time..... in front of your HOME crowd of 55,000 screaming fans!

Then you're asked if you want to fight the(arguably) GREATEST p4p fighter in MMA history in the ABSOLUTE BIGGEST fight in MMA history and your answer is.............I don't know?!.... Maybe we'll sit down and talk about it?!

Really?

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05.02.2011 | 5:49 PM ET

I don't see what the fuss is in GSP saying "we shall see" in regards to him fighting Silva. We've seen guys go up (or down) in weight and have it affect them in a negative way. Even at Catchweight GSP would need to see how the weight gain would affect him.

Then there is the fact that Silva has to get past Yushin Okami. I think many of us are overlooking that fight expecting Silva to destroy/dance his way to victory. GSP probably senses there is no point in getting too excited at this prospect when Silva still has a oppenent to face.

I just think GSP isn't going to commit himself fully without thinking about it. The man went through a pretty gruelling battle, which before and during the fight he was thinking how he was going to beat Shields not "oh boy! Me fighting Silva would be so awesome!"

@Kalibo He didn't look bad he just looked good instead of great. If GSP had "shut down" then we would have seen Shields crowned as the new champ.

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05.02.2011 | 6:08 PM ET

GSP is waiting for Silva to lose or get old. GSP should be fighting Silva, but he's been dodging that fight since UFC 100, in my opinion.

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05.02.2011 | 6:17 PM ET

@minotauro11 i should just copy "i disagree with you" and paste it after you post...cuz i again COMPLETELY disagree...

gsp is "ducking" silva? really? REALLY? it doesn't make since! silva is a HUGE 185er, gsp is average size 170...to make 185, he would be throwing away any future at 170...period..he can't go up and down sucessfully..see roy jones jr...dude went up too far, and suffered for the rest of his career...

btw, diaz can and WILL beat gsp so it won't matter.

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05.02.2011 | 6:23 PM ET

At GSP's level and with how much money he stands to make or not make for himself and the UFC, it's complicated whether or not he goes to fight Anderson.  I don't think it's a matter of ducking.  And he's a welterweight! Why should be forced to go fight at middleweight?

As for Nick Diaz, clearly it's the most compelling fight to be made at 170 right now. I'd love to see the fight and would favor GSP.

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05.02.2011 | 6:30 PM ET

@gregory agree with u....on alot of things..

if gsp moves up...his welterweight days ARE OVER...he would make the jump permanently...and then the importance of the ufc 170 belt would be diminished..because they would be the champ..by default..just like 185 belt if silva retired....just to me

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minotauro11
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05.02.2011 | 6:37 PM ET

I never said GSP was ducking Silva. I'm going to say that again, I NEVER SAID HE IS DUCKING SILVA. When I said he is dodging that fight, it's true. Rogan says "Do you want that fight" and he's just like, "ehhhhh maybe.....". I realize there's a huge size difference, but you ask Silva, he says "Yes". 

Also, Diaz will get laid on by GSP for 5 rounds, it'd be a really easy fight for St. Pierre....just sayin.

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05.02.2011 | 6:40 PM ET

Wait what's the difference between ducking and dodging?

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05.02.2011 | 6:42 PM ET

@minotauro i agree that gsp would hold top position on diaz for the whole fight but i dont think it would be easy.  Diaz threatens well from the bottom and has crazy volume stand up so i think gsp would struggle but come out victorious.

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05.02.2011 | 7:06 PM ET

@gregory, what I meant by saying dodging, not ducking, is just that he's refusing this fight and working around it. I think saying ducking implies that he's scared. I don't think he's scared, I don't know why he doesn't want the fight (I said he's waiting until he gets old or whatever, but I take that back, I don't think that's actually true).

And @piercedan, how would volume punching help if you're on your back the whole time? The submissions off his back did well against a gassed Gomi and Cyborg, but GSP has tremendous cardio, and great composure. People like to forget that Diaz got controlled by Diego Sanchez, and (if I'm not mistaken) Riggs and Sherk. Yeah, I know, fighters improve, but GSP right now is worlds ahead of where Sanchez, Riggs and Sherk will ever be.  I love jiu-jitsu, but outside of the super elite guys like Maia, Jacare or Roger Gracie, it doesn't work off of your back against great wrestlers. 

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05.02.2011 | 7:31 PM ET

I still don't understand the diff between ducking and dodging.  It is the same thing with multiple of reasonings behind them both, but the bottom line is you are avoiding.  I agree with @Pierce and also GSP may not even take it to the ground as much as people think he would.

MMAth just doesn't work.. I hate comparing 5 year old fights of fighters to today. 

I think GSP ends up fighting Diaz before Anderson anyway b/c of public perception now.

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05.02.2011 | 7:32 PM ET

GSP's reluctance to go up in weight mirrors his fighting style: He'd risk losing fights by going up to 185, just like he'd risk losing fights by trying to finish. He'd risk throwing away security as the #1 WW, just like he'd risk throwing away security of winning decisions. He'd be likely to be successful at 185, just like he'd be likely to be successful were he to try to finish.

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05.02.2011 | 7:34 PM ET

@mino his volume punching would keep gsp back a bit.  Hes great against hard hitters that dont throw alot but i cant remember when hes fought someone that punches as much as diaz.  I think it would make that first takedown take longer to get thats all.

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05.02.2011 | 7:54 PM ET

@giosanti, great point. He's very cautious, and is content at being the best and I think he feels that he doesn't really have to prove it (I think he does).
And Piercedan, yeah that makes since, the jab could help, but in the end, the only possible weakness GSP has is his chin. That's not even a fact or a glaring weakness, just the only kind of striker that can't deal with his wrestling who can beat him is a guy who can land a big punch (like Serra did). I don't think Diaz has the power to do that, and his striking won't save him from being taken down at will. 

Just for the record, I'm not exactly a GSP fan, so don't think this is my usual bias. If I'm not mistaken, not only is he not in my top 100, he's not even near it.

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05.02.2011 | 8:01 PM ET

Ugh.  I just went through these pages again and the GSP haters are ever present.  My thoughts on GSP is (getting back on topic) that he is the best WW that ever lived and he should stay at WW, with maybe an occasional super fight at catch weight.  Us fans love the superfights, sure..  but from GSP's point of view, what would be the point?  If you look at the top 3-5 fighters ever in each weight class, just a small fraction actually moved up to fight.

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05.02.2011 | 8:04 PM ET

@mino Completely agree with you on diaz going down just think hed do better than some because of his strengths. As for him moving up hes not tall or long enough to do that well.  Look at wand against the ufcs lhws, sure hed still smash a lot of them but he ended up struggling because everyone was 2-5 inches taller than him with crazy reach.  Look at what jones did to shogun, i think a lot of that was because of length.  

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05.02.2011 | 8:05 PM ET

I think the point (of the superfight) would be to prove he is the number one fighter in the world. Most fighters fight for honor I guess, and they want to show they are the best, and they want to give the fans what they want (obviously something GSP isn't exactly concerned with)

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05.02.2011 | 8:08 PM ET

It settles the P4P debate once and for all... idk.  GSP has shown everyone he is the best..WW.  I don't know... I think if it is a superfight, it should be a catch weight bout to make it more of a P4P situation and so no belt is on the line... so they could continue their reign in their own class when the fight is over. 

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05.02.2011 | 8:09 PM ET

@Piercedan, true enough, but I think with GSP's style length wouldn't make a huge difference. He's a grinder. Reach makes a huge difference in the striking game, but in grappling, especially wrestling, being the shorter guy can be a strength.

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05.02.2011 | 8:10 PM ET

@Kalibo I think a lot of it is just questions and disappointment about what happened in the fight, not necessarily hate.

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05.02.2011 | 9:02 PM ET

and with anderson having the greater length and the superior striking it makes gsp have a much harder time getting in close enough to take anderson down and proceed to grind or look for submissions.  Gsp doesnt have the willingness to get hit the way chael or hendo or palhares do and hes shorter than two of them.  Gsp wants to be the best welterweight and he fights to win so he will go down as a very dominant welterweight.  He knows middleweight would be harder because of his lack in height.  

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