Henderson vs. Diaz

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Uh no.  Have to disagree with you on both counts.  Diego is the better wrestler, but Nate has better jits.  But wrestling often trumps ju-jitsu.  And Nate doesn't have better striking.  Did you see Diego against Clay Guida.  Nate might have a reach advantage, longer range, but he is not explosive with his hands.  He depends on volume pitter-patter, with high volume, low impact style.

Diego likes to brawl.

Are you kidding, do you actually believe Sanchez has better striking than Nate Diaz? Please, can you honestly say that without bias?

^^^He already stated he's stirring the pot.

I guess I was lazy and didnt read beforehand.

Nevermore, nevermore.

Has a fight been announced for Diego and Gomi?  I must have missed it.

Just looked it up.  Should be a good fight.  But I'd rather see Diego scrap with Nate.  Would be even more interesting.

Just stirring the **** pot.  But it would be interesting, too.

You guys.  If I hadn't seen the Diaz brothers, from your descriptions, I'd visualize a massive bruiser, instead of skinny kids with long, lean arms.  I'd think they delivered bombs like Shane Carwin, Rumble Johnson or Phil Baroni.

Their boxing coach has trained them to engage in high volume, low impact exchanges.  Their punches are half-strength, which allows them to hit more times.  By not blowing out their gas tanks, the blood doesn't rush to their muscles, and tighten up.  

But at the same time, they do not have 1-punch KO power.  They deliberately under-throw their punches, almost pulling their punches.  But their long arms have wide wingspan and have good leverage.  Good hooks.  But they also throw slow.  

Diego believes in throwing faster, harder punches.  But he also lacks 1-punch KO power.  But his purpose is to use his combinations to knock you down, so he can jump on you and use his top-game and rain punches down on a disadvantaged fighter on his back.

* Edited at 11.27.2012, 3:51 AM ET *

Mule, yes, I know which Neanderthal it is, their parents didn't help by giving them both names that have four letter nicknames that begin with N.

 

@Bill Burgess Nate Diaz would wreck Diego Sanchez but I think Diego would beat Nick.

Nate's wrestling defense is better than Nick's, Nate has better jiu-jitsu than Diego and Nick (MMA though, I'm sure Nick would destroy Nate in a grappling-only contest), Nate has better boxing than Diego AND Nick and Nate has a better clinch game than Diego and Nick.

I don't see how Diego would beat Nate.

Does Nate have better striking than Diego Sanchez?  The easiest question I could be asked.  I HAVE NO IDEA, AND SERIOUSLY THINK NO ONE ELSE HERE DOES EITHER.

But wouldn't it be fun to all find out together?

Diego is not a stupid fighter.  He knows all about Nate's jits.  He would not jump into his guard.  He is always carefull to stay on his feet, bend down, and throw hard punches to guys on their backs.  He would give Nate no chance to wrap his long legs around his waist.  Diego eats some up-kicks but seldom gets down on a guy unless he knows the opponent's jits are not that great.  

In his immortal fight with Nick, Diego stayed out of Nick's guard and that resulted in endless scrambles, like 2 chimps fighting in lightning-fast mode.  Nick never had the chance to lock his legs around Diego.

Diego is relentless but that does not translate into stupidman.

* Edited at 11.27.2012, 2:33 PM ET *

@Bill what?


Okay I want to make this clear. Nate is a better striker then Deigo. Technically it not even close. nate is much more technical and simply better. However Diego should and would have zero fear of nate guard. Not sure why people I thinking diego would need to keep it standing because that an awful idea. In fact he should do everything in his power not to make this a standup fight.  Diego couldand would out grapple Nate. Diego is one of the best grappler in MMA. Nate would not sub him. I dont think anyone will sub Diego in the UFC. The dude has extremely legit Jujustu. If he made it a grappling match with nate he would win clear out. he have top control the entire fight. Similar to when he fought his brother.  


Insanity to think Diego best move is to keep this fight standing. His best move is to make this all out transition match/grappling. 

Nate is one of those few fighters that can win a technical stand up battle as well as an all out war. Diego is a brawler, but I don't see him beating Nate either way. Diego is definitely the better grappler.

@Franklin880088 Diego is not the better MMA grappler and I have proof.

Black belt in Gaidojutsu.

Nate would easily dispose of Diego Sanchez. Diego is a reckless fighter and has no respect for anyone in his fights, that's what makes him so awesome but that's what cost him so much.

@AnikM  No, no, no, my great friend and ally.  Listen.  I love Nate and Nick as much or more than anyone.  Always have.  I feel they have gotten a terrible press unfairly.  But Diego has tools to get the job done against Nate, and Nick.

There is nothing to indicate that Nate would clobber Diego on their feet.  Diego isn't your orthodox fighter.  He can come in, rough Nate up, get out, dirty box him, hold him against the fence, wear him out.

I just don't see where Diego has anything to fear from Nate either on their feet or the ground.  Nate will never make Diego his *****.  

Stir, stir, stir, and repeat.

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He's trolling guys....

COME ON, MAN!

Nate Diaz comes in and roughs people up too with his volume style. Only unlike his brother, he can also effectively keep fighters at bay because of his excellent jab. Look at Donald Cerrone vs Nate Diaz, Cerrone went into the pocket to swing at Nate and Nate would just demolish him before Cerrone would get out. Diego Sanchez can't outclinch Nate Diaz, he might be stronger but Nate Diaz has excellent judo from the clinch and his knees in the clinch are pretty good also (demonstrated in his fight vs. Jim Miller). Nate Diaz won't be worn out because his cardio is impeccable.

If they go to the ground, Nate Diaz will outgrapple Diego Sanchez with ease. Nate Diaz did the impossible when he choked out Jim Miller and Jim Miller is a better grappler than Diego Sanchez. Nate Diaz would be able to submit Diego with ease if they went to the ground.

I despise Nick Diaz, he's irrelevant. Nate Diaz and Diego Sanchez are both in my top 10 favorite fighters ever list so there is no bias being shown here, I'm just stating the facts. Nate has better striking, better clinchwork and better jiu-jitsu so there is no way Diego Sanchez could win.

Trolling is such an ugly word.  Stirring is so much gentler.  Tapology is a kinder, gentler kind of MMA site.

Just trying to stimulate interesting, entertaining discussion.  But even when I stir, I NEVER say anything I don't believe.  Stirring should not be insincere.

I think what this thread needs is a nice Nate Diaz highlight!