St. Pierre vs. Diaz

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@RamJam420

GSP actually has very solid standup. He looked ******* beastly against Condit and was pretty much outstriking him quite easily (yes, Condit had a nice kick)... but it doesn't matter in this fight. GSP will most likely dominate the **** out of Diaz and after, people will wonder why this fight even happened.

* Edited at 03.05.2013, 10:21 PM ET *

Gsp never had condit in any trouble.

Condit almost finished George with that head kick. He probably would have won if he just stayed on top and continued landing GnP. 

@RamJam420 Being from Montreal has nothing to do with it. Georges St-Pierre has shown excellent striking in every UFC fight he's ever been in. His base is in striking for ****'s sake, GSP is one of the best karatekas on planet Earth.

He resorts to wrestling in all his fights, but his wrestling is used to compliment his striking, not the other way around.

Nick Diaz is a good boxer but he is a ridiculously limited striker with awful footwork. GSP is a better boxer than Nick Diaz, the evidence is in the fights. 

I see GSP beating Nick down until the ref stops it from cuts.

@Ram: He out landed Alves in every round by a significant margin, out leg-kicked the best leg kicker in the division, and knocked him down with a right cross ... Anything else regarding GSP you'd like to be disproved on?

GSP also knocked out Jay Hieron in the first round, a solid kickboxer, made BJ look like a fool on the feet in 2009, and out-struck Condit. Other than his KO loss in 2007 and his first fight with BJ, he's never been out-struck.

* Edited at 03.05.2013, 11:04 PM ET *

@Ram  GSP has the best striking in the division, bar NONE.  He will get in Nick's face with his jab and there will be absolutely NOTHING Nick has that will keep GSP off him.  

Nick doesn't kick as often as he should.  His 3/4 power punches in bunches will be so slow that he'll take 3 jabs to every slow hook he delivers.  GSP doesn't win all his fights by his strikes or his ground game.  He wins because he is the best-rounded guy in town.

He has good power in his strikes despite not knocking people out.  He jabs and uses combinations.  And he spices his combos with kicks.  A GSP combination is jab, jab, kick, superman punch, right.  He presses in and doesn't go back.

If you really think GSP will be out-struck by Nick Diaz, Ramjam, you are believing what you want to happen, not what the past evidence indicates.  GSP outstruck Condit, Koscheck, Alves, Penn, Sherk, Parisyan and everyone else.

Also, Nick normally walks his opponent down until the opponent is against the fence, then goes into left/right hooks to the body to wear them down.  Firstly, he will never walk GSP down.  Never.  So, he won't get GSP against any fencing.  It will stay in the center and GSP will BACK NICK UP!  Not the other way around!

I seem to see the fight unfold before my eyes.  Nick is getting shelled by all kinds of incoming, doesn't know what to do, is faltering, and finally has to retreat in confusion.  His eyes are confused, his facial expression is bewildered and he has absolutely no idea what to do next.

Hate to be right all the time.  It's lonely at the top.  

War GSP!  

* Edited at 03.06.2013, 12:01 AM ET *

GSP has the best striking in WW.  Period.  

Why?  Simple.  Simplicity itself, my dear Watson.

GSP incorporates hard kicks, both high and low, into his offensive combinations better than anyone else in WW, and perhaps in MMA.

When other strike, they punch, then they kick.  Most separate their punches and kicks.  But not GSP or MacDonald.  They blend their punches and kicks so seamlessly, that they are just one combination.  

That, my dear friends, is how combinations could and should be done.  Combined and blended into one organic whole.  Not separated to let the opponent parry each in turn.  

Just another of his many areas of his superiority.  

* Edited at 03.06.2013, 12:14 AM ET *

@Bill Stop.

@Bill

"Hate to be right all the time.  It's lonely at the top."

******* hilarious

GSP's the best striker in the division...care to tell me the last fight he finished standing?..

Try 2006 vs Matt Hughes...just stop it. Nick Diaz KO'd Paul Daley...You wanna talk about Nick having trouble vs wrestlers and his level of competition...ok, but please don't act for a second like GSP is gonna stand with him. 

@Bill You have GSP by KO in the 1st?...please for the love of God just stop.

Swick do you really think Diaz is going to win or is it just wishful thinking? Just curious.

I can see Diaz knocking out GSP. Unlikely, but not impossible. (See avatar for logic behind statement)

GSP is not the best striker in the welterweight divison, however he will outstrike everyone in the welterweight division simply due to the fact that he will always land a solid very powerful takedown in the beginning that will throw off everyones striking, yes, he will do that to Nick Diaz, and Nick will get jabbed after jabbed after jabbed, but Nick is probably one of the toughest people ever and i dont think GSP can discourage Nick with jabs, Nick will constantly move forward with strikes because Nick is quite frankly stubborn as hell, which will make GSP take him down constantly and ground and pound Diaz possibly to a finish, but i see a very dominant ground and pound from GSP to a decision, hope im wrong though, cause i love the diaz brothers and hope one will one day hold a ufc belt.  
I think that in a pure boxing match Nick would destroy GSP, imo 
as well as a few other welterweights, GSP's bread and butter will always be the fact that his wrestling is the best i personally have ever seen and that the threat of his wrestling alone allows his striking to excel on superior strikers 

St. Pierre is just gonna take him down and destroy his face. I haven't really ever seen GSP this angry.

GSP's anger could be a negative. Especially given that a substantial part of Nick's gameplan is to get into his opponent's head.

No doubt he is in GSP's head, 
gsp even said he was lol
he has no idea how dark i am inside my head sometimes lol
sounds scary

Goerges does well when his opponent is in his head.

Hahaha GSPs dark place is taking a **** in the handicap stall of an empty bathroom.
I don't think mind games will work against him. His fight against Kosheck showed that at least for me. 
I know GSP has good standup, but for me it's not as strong as Nick's. We all know GSP turned a corner for the safe side after his loss to Serra, and even if he has shown good standup against Fitch, Alves, Condit, I think it's generally been a very low risk style of standup. The fight that he took the most risks standing was his last one, and even though he won that fight I don't think Condit was ever hurt as bad as GSP after the kick. Nick's style of standup is the complete opposite, totally fearless no matter what. No matter how many leg kicks he lands or how much blood is in his eye he just keeps coming forward. That might be a difference between Nick and Nate, if you look at how Nate coped with the blurry vision against Bendo and how Nick coped with it against Noons. 
@Bill yeah GSP has outstruck all those opponents but do you really think GSP could do what Nick did against Daley? Of course he wouldn't do that but I say he couldn't. He'd get knocked out if he tried

@ Bill and I agree that Nick probably won't be able to back GSP down, but that's because GSP will shoot for the takedown, if he doesn't he will get outboxed eventually... after Nick walks through all of his strikes

* Edited at 03.06.2013, 1:59 AM ET *