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SoccerKick
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01.19.2012 | 10:55 AM ET

We all know who would win if we did just a single WW or MW tournament so let's combine them. Even though I'm pretty sure who's going to end up in the finals maybe we'll get an upset or 2 along the way! This is what I have so far no order As always changes are welcome

  • Anderson Silva
  • Georges St. Pierre
  • Matt Hughes
  • Rich Franklin
  • Nate Marquardt
  • Jake Shields
  • Pat Miletich
  • Jon Fitch
  • Josh Koscheck
  • Kazushi Sakuraba
  • Frank Shamrock
  • Nick Diaz
  • Hayato Sakurai
  • Evan Tanner
  • Yushin Okami 
  • Chael Sonnen


* Edited at 01.19.2012, 12:47 PM ET *

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:15 AM ET

a corner stoppage and saying  a guy quit are TWO COMPLETELY different things.  Unless you have some video of BJ saying to his corner, "I can not fight anymore"  than it is hear say and does not work.

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JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 1:17 AM ET

@lopati Did you watch the fight??? He obviously won the fight 3 rounds to 2. And if you don't see it like that then you are wrong.
@jaffa well when i went back into the forum the post that was on it was the one from @live2wrestle so i replied to him.
And as you can see from three lines above ^^^ i am still arguing with @lopati as well

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:20 AM ET

I could tell you that BJ won the first Frankie fight, does that mean that is what happened.  
or 
Shogun won the first fight with machida????

and if you don't agree with those two outcomes i just listed than I cannot accept your opinion on Jay heiron who hasn't beat a top 20 WW ever

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LambofGod
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01.21.2012 | 1:21 AM ET

@jaffa We are the same person now? Just because we have the same opinion on things means we are the same person. that means you and everyone else who thinks nick diaz is top 5 are the same person then too.

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JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 1:26 AM ET

@lopati Well I think the first Penn vs Edgar fight was close and could of gone either way. But i did have Shogun up 3 rounds to 2 against Machida.
And that is true about Hieron not having beat a top 20 WW but Diaz has NEVER beat a wrestler and until he does my opinion will stay the same that Jay Hieron would beat Diaz because he would be able to wrestle**** Diaz and Jay Hieron has also never been submitted either so i don't think Diaz would be the first.

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jaffacakehero
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01.21.2012 | 1:34 AM ET

Tbh this argument was started by Justyn saying something pretty ignorant so the fact that it even escalated like it did is pretty ridiculous......moving on......

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JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 1:37 AM ET

@jaffa and what did i say that was ignorant? 

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jaffacakehero
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01.21.2012 | 1:42 AM ET

" No sir he did straight duck him!
It was supposed to be the first SF WW title fight and Diaz didn't show up to the pre fight drug test.
He ducked him period. If you don't wanna see things how how are that's fine but you can't argue facts."


I'm no longer arguing.........provide some facts and evidence that he ducked Hieron please! Until you do it's a very wrong opinion and an ignorant statement.



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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:43 AM ET

i never got mad about anything, I just don't understand how someone could think Jay Heiron could beat Nik Diaz, lol.  

@justyn, the biggest problem with what your saying is Jay Heiron, I might have accepted Fitch, Hendrix, Kos or Shields.  but there is not a day that will happen when Jay Heiron can beat Nik Diaz because of his wrestling.  he will be on a highlight reel for submission of the night.

Diaz trains with Shields and Melendez on the regular so anything that heiron presents will not be on any level that he has never dealt with before.

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:44 AM ET

soccerkick is probably loving this, the thread will hit him a couple more ribbons now surely.

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FresnoMMA
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01.21.2012 | 1:49 AM ET

A couple more ribbons?  What do you mean?
Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:51 AM ET

i think if threads hit certain numbers now you get new ribbons, a sweet new feature they added recently.  I think I understood it right.

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FresnoMMA
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01.21.2012 | 1:53 AM ET

Ah dam I never create threads!  
JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 1:53 AM ET

@jaffa he didn't show up to the prefight drug test because he would rather smoke weed then fight a wrestler that seems how it went down to me. He was supposed to fight GSP and he disappeared instead of going to the press conference so he could fight him. I get you LOVE Diaz but come on dude see things for how they are!
@lopati Evangalista Santos took down Nick so obviously his wrestling defense isn't that good. And Jay Hieron out wrestled and out classed and out standing wrestler in Ben Askren so i am pretty sure he would have very little trouble taking down Diaz.

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 1:57 AM ET

and Santos TAPPED

try again

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JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 1:58 AM ET

@lopati something Jay Hieron has NEVER done!

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 2:03 AM ET

only because he fought St. Pierre when he was aggressive and went for KO's.  and who in the hell has he fought that could sub anyone.  

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JustynOfOsiris
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01.21.2012 | 2:10 AM ET

@lopati he beat Rick Hawn who is a black belt in judo, Anthony Lapsley who has 13 submission wins, Joe Riggs who is a brown belt in BJJ and has 15 submission wins, Pay Healy who has 14 wins via submission.
So yes he has fought and beat people that have submission skills.

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Lopati
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01.21.2012 | 2:22 AM ET

rick WHO, and beating post back injury Riggs is no big deal

Frank shamrock, Mach Sakurai,katsuya Inoue  who are about as good of wrestlers as the guys you mentioned are dangerous submission guys.

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kallousklown
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01.21.2012 | 2:24 AM ET

I dont mean to butt in and Rick Hawn is a worthy opponent but I personally thought Hieron lost that fight.

* Edited at 01.21.2012, 2:25 AM ET *

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