Topic: Ellenberger vs. Rocha
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01.04.2011 | 10:37 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger correct Decision
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02.04.2011 | 11:43 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
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02.04.2011 | 12:00 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger correct Decision
02.04.2011 | 12:01 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Rocha wrong Submission wrong Round 3
but the more i thought about this matchup the more I saw the upset possibility. Rocha has all the tools to win and I truly believe Ellenberger's lack of a ground game and way too much reliance on his natural athelticsm is gonna be his downfall.
and ellenberger has literally lost to all the legit fighters hes faced. Lost to Noble,Lost to Heiron, Lost to Condit, Lost to Story.
the hype hes getting for beating a Pyle who had a broken rib , and beating John Howard in a competitive fight is seriously outrageous.
And honestly a fight between Ellenbeger and Kim would be awesome but Ellenberger doesnt deseve that fight at all.
He has a two fight win streak over Howard and Pyle... Kim has a 6 fight win streak right now.
02.04.2011 | 12:06 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Rocha wrong Submission wrong Round 3
dude is so ridiculously overrated, I don't even know why.(he does have an explosive shot but other than that his game is very limited).
02.04.2011 | 12:14 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
02.04.2011 | 12:47 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Rocha wrong Submission wrong Round 3
yeah he got Condit with some nice power punches. Doesn't say anything about his skills other than he has power and managed to hit Condit who is also very very hittable.
And after the first round on the ground he got dominated. Sweeped,mounted,GnP,guard passes.
I am ******* sick of people cititng losses to condit as proof how good they are. Its seriously stupid...Rory Mcdonald and ellenbger are both guys who are being hyped for losing to Condit.
If that was indicator of success Hiromitsu Miura should be ****en champion by now.
02.04.2011 | 12:53 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
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02.04.2011 | 3:06 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
Ellenberger vs. Rocha
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02.04.2011 | 3:53 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
Thank you for the response and yes you do have a point there, Condit does seem to have trouble with fighters he is on another level than before beating them. I thought McDonald was being hyped before the fight though and was the favorite going into that fight? I could be wrong though. Maybe it is just Condit's style of fighting but I still personally think it is something to be impressed with on Ellenberger's part. It is more telling of Condit's heart and durability than Ellenberger's lack of talent. After all, he did do a lot better than Dan Hardy who was ranked top 10 but then again I felt he was fairly overrated.
02.04.2011 | 4:38 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Rocha wrong Submission wrong Round 2
02.05.2011 | 6:38 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
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02.05.2011 | 4:42 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
02.05.2011 | 6:56 PM ET
Prediction: wrong Rocha wrong Submission wrong Round 3
02.05.2011 | 6:58 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
02.05.2011 | 10:17 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
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02.05.2011 | 11:59 PM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
02.06.2011 | 6:42 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 2
ellenberger's strategy after getting owned in round one was to stay on the feet and then steal the round late with a takedown near the 4:30 or 4:40 mark. if you look at round 2, once he landed that late takedown, he was already in deep trouble in rocha's guard in just those 30 seconds. i don't know if that makes ellenberger weak for taking the fight down for a period just long enough for him to survive in the spot where he is outclassed, or brilliant for winning the fight literally the only way he could. personally, i was impressed ellenberger was able to assemble and adapt a gameplan on the fly, and it speaks to his superior experience over rocha.
rocha, for his part, is going to struggle in his standup for quite a while looking at his build - his shoulders are simply massive and not designed for boxing. on the ground, however, he is already near the top of the division.
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02.06.2011 | 6:45 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger correct Decision
Anyway that win for Ellenberger should earn him a number one contender's fight in my opinion.
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02.06.2011 | 7:49 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger wrong KO/TKO wrong Round 3
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02.06.2011 | 7:58 AM ET
Prediction: correct Ellenberger correct Decision
a) you're not a very good judge and don't know what is happening
b) you're an excellent judge who is scoring things in a very progressive, uncommon way
for example, the takedown at the end of round 2: should this have stolen/sealed the round for ellenberger? he did no damage at all, and ended up in a defensive situation where he was in danger. if you were judge B, you might say that this round-ending sequence should be scored in favor of rocha.
i do think you could lay out a case for rocha if you were judge B. but more likely we were dealing with judge A.
anybody feel me on this?
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