Topic: Cerrone vs. Henderson III
Cerrone vs. Henderson III
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- Oddsbot
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- Twister44
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@lopati I think people are picking Bendo naturally for his ability to win BS decisions. Score the edgar fight however you want, Bendo lost to Melendez and Thompson and I'll take those opinions to my grave.
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- michigandolphin
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Probably that and that Henderson beat Cerrone in their first two fights. Still rooting for Cerrone, but think Bendo is just a bad style matchup for him.
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- Lopati
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I don't see how two fights 4-5 years ago are gonna tell you anything about the guys walking in the csge next week. Look at recent performances they will tell you more. At least in my opinion.
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- Twister44
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You know? Sometimes certain fighters just have certain peoples numbers. Ex: Mike Brown had Faber's.....and can't think of any other good examples other than that.
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- mikeyg
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@franklin
I could see them pushing heavily for RDA vs Cerrone II since Cerrone is a good draw and RDA doesn't get the respect he deserves. Although I do think Pettis will besmirch both RDA and Cerrone again.
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- ProDrug
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I see power being the biggest difference here. Henderson will overpower cerrone in the clinch and probably get some takedowns. I can see him also using his kicks on the outside to set up those takedowns/clinch situations.
Henderson is a stronger wrestler than jury and obviously has the better striking skills. He also has the better jiu jitsu. People are forgetting that henderson is a world class fighters because of the RDA fight which isn't fair. But that will become clear in the near future.
* Edited at 01.08.2015, 8:03 AM ET *
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- Huiop532
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You seriously think that Benson has better Jiu Jitsu..? How many times has he thrown up an Omoplata like Cerrone did against Jury? Just because he submitted Cerrone doesn't mean his BJJ is better.
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- CthulhuJones
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I would agree Benson has better BJJ. If we're judging BJJ skills based on omoplatas I guess Ben Saunders has better BJJ than Demian Maia. Cerrone has a better guard, but Benson was seen as impossible to submit prior to being armbarred by Pettis. BJJ is not just having an active guard, it's also being able to defend submissions, transition, sweep guys, hit switches, etc. All things I believe Benson is better at than Cerrone. Benson has been in some deep chokes that Cerrone wouldn't have been able to escape from. Benson has the edge on the ground IMO.
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- benjaminbrandt
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Cerrone caught Jury in an omoplata because Jury is basic.
Bendo would laugh at an omoplata.
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- rappinpapsoda
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Benson got submitted by Pettis because he was not expecting it. That will not happen like thatvagain.
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- CthulhuJones
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Benson got submitted by Pettis because Pettis is super elite and that's what he does. He submits the unsubmittable. He did it to Benson and then followed it up by doing it to Gil.
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- rappinpapsoda
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I would not find Gil unsubmittable. He has not escaped like Benson did. That being said I would not call Pettis super elite. He was out struck by Gil the first round.
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- CthulhuJones
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Gil had 25 fights going into the Pettis fight including a win over Shinya Aoki and had never been subbed, or finished for that matter. Gil is also a Cesar Gracie BJJ black belt. He was considered pretty much impossible to sub and Pettis made it look easy. Also, if you don't think Pettis is super elite you need to open your eyes. Since putting on lackluster performances against Clay Guida and Jeremy Stephens he's stopped every opponent he's faced (including 3 top 5 guys) in about 14 minutes combined. Pettis is a ******* super elite stud. He arguably lost 1 round to the consensus #2 lightweight in the world and that makes him not super elite? Who do you consider super elite then? By that logic there is not one single elite fighter in the UFC as every champion has lost at least one round. Except maybe TJ Dillashaw (Who has one title defense against Joe ******' Soto) and Ronda Rousey. That's just a startlingly silly thing to say.
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- rappinpapsoda
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No, he is super elite. Yes he has improved but he is not on the level of Jones or Aldo. They have truly cleared out their divisions and are super elite. He has not dominated yet. Gil not getting subbed by Aoki means nothing in the context of that fight. Did you see the fight? All he did was press him against the cage all 5 rounds. Its not like he took many risks.
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- CthulhuJones
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Have you seen Aoki fight? He'll submit your ass with a flying armbar. There's a reason he got the nickname Tōbikan Jūdan (The Grand Master of Flying Submissions) The ONLY thing that makes that win
slightly less impressive is the fact that Aoki was undersized.
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- CthulhuJones
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The only thing that's kept Pettis from clearing out the division is the fact that he fights in the deepest division in the UFC (by far) and he was on the shelf for about a year due to injury. He'll dismantle RDA. If he fights Cowboy again he'll dismantle him. He has arguably the best striking in MMA and has won his last two fights by submitting guys considered impossible to submit. He is the definition of elite.
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- skelliher
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Completely agree with CT about Pettis's dominance. If he stays healthy he's a contender for GOAT status.
Only caveat is that I feel 170 has historically been as deep as 155. Sometimes not quite, but always in the conversation. The top 15 is a murderer's row.
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- amp112
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Other than Khabib, I feel Pettis is significantly better than all other contenders. But like many of you mentioned, the injuries can be a concern. Because the division is so stacked, one of those guys could meet Pettis on their best possible day and beat him because Pettis was either rusty or fighting with an injury that could slow him down. However, he did destroy Melendez and Cerrone after being inactive for a year prior to those fights
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- skelliher
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It's not that I think he'll lose a fight due to injury ... it's that he won't set records because of injury.
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- amp112
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Oh yeah, that was just my 2 cents. I think that can be a real issue. If it can happen to GSP, it can happen to anybody. For the longest time when ppl were comparing GSP and Anderson, a common argument was "well, Anderson never the title" (circa 2009-2013). And because he had 1 bad night and fought the wrong guy at the right time, his legacy isn't as good as it could be.
Very possible that Pettis has a bad fight because of a long layoff or an injury. That alone could tarnish his GOAT status.
* Edited at 01.08.2015, 9:16 PM ET *
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