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Brazilian Jitz

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05.28.2012 | 1:04 AM ET

I think they should, and here is why.

For the most part, elbows on the ground cause cuts, that don't directly end fights, but indirectly do. Understand, i do think standing elbows are effective, and dont often cut their opponents due to angle of the strike. But I do not think cutting someone and winning via cut in a legitimate way to win. While it can happen with punches and kicks, it happens all to frequently with elbows on the ground. Cain vs Bigfoot is a good example on how quickly a fight can change witha sharp elbow... Machida Jones, florian leben - and even afetr a fighter is KO'd Ludwig Hardy. I just think the cuts suffered are unnecessary and can **** over a fighters career because of soft tissue (Bonnar, Sherk)

* Edited at 05.28.2012, 1:04 AM ET *

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05.28.2012 | 12:43 PM ET

Both knees are only two points of contact though... I agree, maybe a rule with a defined number of points of contact and what body part constitutes a point of contact. All safety committees usually say 3 points of contact... so, a grounded opponent could be a fighter with 3 points of contact on the ground... I think we can all agree, there are some things that do need some changing/modernization.

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05.28.2012 | 12:45 PM ET

I wouldn't mind getting rid of the elbows if they would just let guys on their backs upkick to the head of downed opponents.

* Edited at 05.28.2012, 12:47 PM ET *

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05.28.2012 | 12:48 PM ET

Winning via cut is a legitimate win.

It's effective.
Blocks their vision, causes blood loss, and makes the next strikes to that area to sting a hell of a lot more.

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05.28.2012 | 12:48 PM ET

@Kalibo, the 4 points of contact would be both hands and knees or if the torso/back is in contact with the ground. This way you cant just drop to your knees and cover up

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05.28.2012 | 12:50 PM ET

@AnAlias I hope that doesn't happen. Upkicks to fighters on two knees is gonna become a cheap way to cause scrambles. Example: Watch Jeremiah Riggs' entrance fight to TUF7 that he lost.

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05.28.2012 | 12:52 PM ET

Yeah, I don't remember that fight. How would it be cheap? I think it would make it more dangerous to just sit around in a guy's guard.

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05.28.2012 | 12:56 PM ET

Im all for upkicks to a downed opponent, would help stop the blanketing wrestling that everyone hates

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05.28.2012 | 2:08 PM ET

I agree with the knees and and kicks being illegal, not only will they cause serious amounts of damage, it just takes away from the grappling. People will always turtle up or just scramble to get up at the potential of getting kneed or kicked on the ground..or elbows and punched. I want to see GRAPPLING. take away elbows,, keep knees and kicks out, you will start to see fighters rolling for submissions and sweeps way more often. I think thats another reason why wrestler are much more effective, although they get it to the ground easier, once their on top, the BJJ guy doesnt have much to do besides defending elbows, punches. Takes away the elbows and you see better grappling.

* Edited at 05.28.2012, 2:09 PM ET *

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05.28.2012 | 2:24 PM ET

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05.28.2012 | 2:27 PM ET

@Nik Lust, it sounds to me like you'd just want to watch submission grappling contests in a cage. I agree that sometimes cutting your opponent with an elbow becomes a cheap way to get a doctor stoppage, but those happen even without elbows, for example Couture-Belfort II. I also disagree about Cain-Bigfoot. Cain was kicking his ass and Bigfoot couldn't do anything, a cut or no. It would probably be stopped in the first round anyway.

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05.28.2012 | 2:30 PM ET

@ Joe Kerr, I would like to see more grappling 100% but more than that, I want to stop seeing brutal cuts, that dont even effect a fighter (ie balance, mentality etc) but get stopped because of blood and danger of how deep the cut it.

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05.28.2012 | 2:31 PM ET

@Nik, sounds like you would just do away with grounded strikes completely. Taking away knees, elbows, and kicks would be in a way dumbing down MMA imo

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05.28.2012 | 2:48 PM ET

no obviously i still want to see punches on the ground. but the ground is where grappling really happens, i think its oversaturated with way to win and not alot fo way to attack from under

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05.28.2012 | 2:51 PM ET

I understand the no elbows argument but not the knees (to the body). If you want more ways to attack from bottom then legalize upkicks

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05.28.2012 | 2:53 PM ET

ohh noo. i should clarify. I still like knees to the body.. i meant i dont want knees to the head legal

* Edited at 05.28.2012, 2:56 PM ET *

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05.28.2012 | 2:53 PM ET

I don't get why everyone's so...vicious. Yikes. No knees on the ground, no kicks on the ground, no elbows on the ground. It's not dumbing down MMA, it's make it safer and actually enhancing one of the major aspects of MMA, the grappling. I agree with everything Nik is saying.

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05.28.2012 | 2:57 PM ET

we really dont see that much high level BJJ, sweep transitions that often because of how easy it is to get annihilated on the ground. I think the simple adjustment can make the ground more satisfying and finally make the general audience not boo when it hits the ground

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05.28.2012 | 2:57 PM ET

@Nik, ah alright I can agree with no knees to the head

@Anik, but at the same time you are taking away major aspects of grappling

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05.28.2012 | 2:59 PM ET

Ever watch Pride? All that stuff was legal, and there was still a lot of great grappling. ...and if you think allowing less strikes on the ground will make the crowd boo less, you're living in backwards land.

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05.28.2012 | 3:00 PM ET

like what? Defending the super elbow? Nik's right, no elbows means more sweeps, more active guards and less lay n' pray.

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