Topic: Le vs. Bisping

Cung Le Tests Positive for HGH ... Respect for Bisping

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skelliher
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09.30.2014 | 9:03 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

So, by my count, Bisping's only career losses to (most likely) non-steroid users are a Split Decision to Rashad Evans and a Decision to Tim Kennedy. 

He beat Le, but this dude has had a bad run against cheaters.

Le has been suspended for nine months. 

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CthulhuJones
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10.01.2014 | 2:07 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Steroids do not win fights, but when you take two guys who are around the same skill level and give one of them the testosterone levels of a silverback gorilla, it generally affects the outcome of the fight. Cung Le is not that great of an MMA fighter. He has very flashy/devastating stand up but he's nowhere near as well rounded a martial artist as Michael Bisping, therefore Bisping overcame the disadvantage. Le being 42 probably helped a bit also. As for your examples of Stephan Bonnar and Chael those are pretty easy to figure out. Stephan Bonnar has almost always chosen to stand and bang with his opponents regardless of having an underrated ground game and a bjj blackbelt. As for Chael, he pounded Anderson Silva into dirt for 20+ minutes in their first fight including hurting him while standing a few times. I love the Chael, but could he have dominated Anderson that much for that long without PEDs? Probably not.
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10.01.2014 | 2:31 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

Skelli, why do you keep trying to put words in my mouth that I never uttered?

You made a blanket statement that steroids win you fights and that is not accurate.  That is the bottom ******* line.  I have provided you with a list of Positive Fighters that LOST the fights they tested positive in.  Unless you have further evidence to support your point I don't see how you can continue to act like steroids are a WONDER DRUG and WIN you fights.

Duh, Random testing is the only true form of testing.  I can only SAY someone is positively on Steroids when I have information that SUPPORTS that statement.  I can't project that since Baugatinov tested hot he has always been using and I definitely can't say that publicly without evidence, which is why we can only look at fights in which they tested and passed/failed.

You have put a lot of words into my statements that were never there.  

The only thing we disagree on is the fact that STEROIDS DON"T WIN YOU FIGHTS.  BECAUSE THEY DON'T and the examples of fighters you chose to use supports my statement.

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10.01.2014 | 3:36 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

One of you is saying steroids don't win you fights.

One of you is saying steroids can help win fights as compared to not using them.

Both statements are true. 

A fighter using steroids obviously doesn't mean they're going to win every fight but it definitely increases their chances of winning when used properly, as compared to a non-steroid version of themselves.  Win or lose, opponent/level-of-competition is completely irrelevant when the point is that using steroids properly makes you superior to the non-steroid version of yourself.

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10.01.2014 | 3:52 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

Thats the thing about steroids: you still have to work just as hard as if you didn't, if not more. You gotta go to the gym 2-3 times per day or else steroids won't do **** for you.

You can't take roids and half ass it.


skelliher
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10.01.2014 | 4:03 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

.... My god. 

I said they HELP. 

Anyways, moving on. 

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10.01.2014 | 4:24 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

I think we should leave it at "steroids won't make joe blow heavyweight champ, but if Anderson Silva did steroids he'd become the destroyer of worlds"

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10.01.2014 | 4:28 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Steroids made this guy play football better!







* Edited at 10.01.2014, 4:32 PM ET *

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10.01.2014 | 4:33 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

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10.01.2014 | 4:43 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

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10.01.2014 | 5:34 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Not surprising really, dissapointing though.

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10.01.2014 | 6:15 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong Decision  

If the SEC did "not" use PED's they would not win so many NCAA national Championship games. Oh wait, they did.  + _ +
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10.01.2014 | 6:24 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Look I think Bisping is significantly better than Le, PED's don't just make you beat a fighter that's better than you but it certainly does help. 

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10.01.2014 | 9:42 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Enhancements did not help him win anyways.

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10.01.2014 | 9:47 PM ET

...I don't remember Hendo ever testing positive for anything.

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10.01.2014 | 9:49 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Hendo's been on TRT for god knows how long.
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10.01.2014 | 9:51 PM ET

42 with that shape as mma fighter? sure. I wont be surprised if Bisping fails in the future im sure the list is very long. Some guys just knows how to cycle
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10.01.2014 | 9:55 PM ET

@CthulhuJones Again, I don't remember Hendo ever testing positive for anything. What does TRT have to do with it?

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10.01.2014 | 10:11 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

TRT may have been legal, but the point is it was still a performance enhancing drug. That's the point buddy. 

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10.01.2014 | 10:49 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

The funny part to me is that I figured Le was on the juice and given Bisping's track record with likely juicers, Le was going to pull out the win and test hot. But the pick would have counted for the UFC contest. 

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10.01.2014 | 11:21 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Lorenzo Fertitta: 'We will randomly test all 500 of our athletes multiple times per year'






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