Topic: Le vs. Bisping

Cung Le Tests Positive for HGH ... Respect for Bisping

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skelliher
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09.30.2014 | 9:03 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

So, by my count, Bisping's only career losses to (most likely) non-steroid users are a Split Decision to Rashad Evans and a Decision to Tim Kennedy. 

He beat Le, but this dude has had a bad run against cheaters.

Le has been suspended for nine months. 

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09.30.2014 | 9:05 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 4  

<covers ears> there's no drug problem in MMA!

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09.30.2014 | 9:09 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

After that picture Le posted before weigh ins this might have been less shocking than Overeem. Like he was waving to the UFC. "I need a drug test , over here"

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09.30.2014 | 9:13 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

******* ridiculous.

Just make an open class and a tested class and lets get past this ****.  Give these bums the option to juice or not and if you choose the tested class and get popped you're DONE

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09.30.2014 | 9:16 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 4  

Haha the juicer league.  Can we have weapons in the juicer league, too?

I always enjoyed Soul Calibur more than Tekken.

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Lopati
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09.30.2014 | 9:24 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

I am always down to watch a good Filipino Knife Fight.

But probably no weapons.

They have two divisions in bodybuilding; Open and Natural.  Why can't fighting be the same way?  IF everyone knows what they are getting into and as we have seen Juicing doesn't help you win fights.

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset

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09.30.2014 | 9:26 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

i think we all saw this coming those pics that were going around of him before the fight were insane .

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09.30.2014 | 9:27 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 4  

I just want to post in here so everyone can see that I got a perfect.
Shame on you Cung Le.
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09.30.2014 | 9:27 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Cung Le just drank someone elses protein shake on accident.

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09.30.2014 | 9:36 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 5  

That's all..? I figured he was on Horse Growth Hormone.
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09.30.2014 | 9:40 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

oh i hate it when its that obvious.
the guy who looks stronger than ever at 42 is actually doping, sometimes reality is boring...
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09.30.2014 | 9:42 PM ET

Is anyone surprised about this?

Like, seriously?

* Edited at 09.30.2014, 9:42 PM ET *

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09.30.2014 | 9:47 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 5  

inb4 Tacos comes in and "I told you so'd"

* Edited at 09.30.2014, 9:48 PM ET *

skelliher
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09.30.2014 | 9:48 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Nobody's surprised, but MMA fans are pretty good at ****ting on guys who lose to steroid users when there's no proof of said users using steroids. ie: every Vitor win ever. And likely every Wanderlei win ever. 

Now, to Lopati's point about steroids not winning fights, that's partly true and partly ignorant to say.

Of course steroids don't teach you to throw a spin kick. But they do make said spin kick much faster and more powerful, and also let you rep said spin kick on the heavy bag for six hours straight without adverse effects. Fighters on steroids also go into fights decidedly less banged up than natural guys like Bisping and GSP ... who always complain about injuries post-fight. There's a reason.

That's not even getting into the cardio advantages stuff like EPO gives you, which Sonnen, Bagautinov and I'd bet a lot more guys in MMA are using. To me, EPO gives you a bigger advantage in a fight than traditional roids.

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09.30.2014 | 10:39 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Le   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

Wow, I don't think Le could possibly have been a bigger disappointment to me in this fight. Probably time to retire.

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Lopati
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09.30.2014 | 11:33 PM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

While obviously it gives you advantages both of the guys you mentioned Skelli LOST their fights to CLEAN fighters. Further supporting my statement above. 

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset

skelliher
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09.30.2014 | 11:40 PM ET

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Just because it's physically possible to beat a fighter on steroids doesn't mean it doesn't give you advantages. I don't get what you're trying to argue, man. It makes absolutely no sense.

You admit it gives them advantages, but what, clean fighters who lose to them don't get to use that as an excuse?

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10.01.2014 | 12:10 AM ET

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Lopati I don't understand how you can say it doesn't help you win fights.  Anything that gives you any increase in endurance, strength, recovery time during training, anything... these are all things that help you win fights.

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10.01.2014 | 12:29 AM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

Anyone who's ever done any sport knows 2 very important things:

1. EVERY sport is 70% confidence and 30% talent. Juicing up takes care of the confidence.
2. The difference between how you look with a full gas tank and how you look when you're tired is so important it's not even funny, so yeah, juicing up gives you the cardio to both train harder, recover faster and have a gas tank for the whole fight and the confidence to go strong right from the get go because you trust your tank.

If you want an example, look at Reem/Werdum. He didn't look great in that fight, but he won a hard fought decision. Please raise your hand if you think today's Reem could outlast any top level heavyweight that long (except for Mir who actually stood back and allowed Reem to pace himself).

Also, look at the sheer difference in their physiques! You think that doesn't come with extra power and quickness???

Wait 'till you see Vitor weigh in vs. Weidman. He's going to look everything the almost 40 year old that he is. I mean even his arms look more like mine than anything close to what he used to look like, especially in his last couple of fights.

PEDs win fights. Period. Not 100% success and a juiced up Trevor Smith won't beat Anderson Silva, but in closer matched fight they're totally a difference maker.

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10.01.2014 | 12:35 AM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

Yes they are things that help you win fights, but IRONICALLY both examples Skelli used got their asses kicked amd Le took one of the worst beatings in recent memory. So it goes to say that yeah you may gain some advantages, but if you aren't as good as the guy across the cage with you you are still gonna get your ass kicked, which both Baugatinov and Le as examples of my statement prove. Please show me where I said it doesnt give you advantages? My statement implies that taking PED's will not win you fights. Just to be clear on that. 

Steroids give you an advantage when everything else is even no matter what sport you are talking about. No matter how many PED's Dion Jordan takes he will never be JJ Watt. Does him taking PED's make him better? yes it does, but does that automatically make him the best? NO it does not.  It doesnt even guarantee you being the best. 

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10.01.2014 | 12:37 AM ET

Prediction: correct Bisping   wrong Decision  

How many fights did chael win when he tested positive? Stephan Bonnar?? 

"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset


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