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McGregor vs. Poirier

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Oddsbot
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07.22.2014 | 8:54 PM ET

This is the official discussion thread for McGregor vs. Poirier. Let's see what you've got.

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poir420
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09.24.2014 | 10:55 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 1  

I agree Poirier is no chump and I think McGregor's going to be shocked!

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09.24.2014 | 11:05 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Tap odds on fights like these confuse me. Poirier's 3 career losses are to Cub Swanson, TKZ, and Danny Castillo. McGregor was subbed by Joseph Duffy and Artemij Sitenkov. I realize both fighters have improved since those losses, but I don't understand 70/30 on a toss up fight. Poirier has that jitz, and yeah, so does Brandao, but Brandao also has the fight IQ of a pigeon.

* Edited at 09.24.2014, 11:06 AM ET *

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09.24.2014 | 11:16 AM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   wrong Decision  

I'm picking McGregor because I've changed my pick 12 times. But I really, really hope Poirier wins.

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09.24.2014 | 11:18 AM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 3  

McGregor's loss to Sitenkov was before Poirier even started fighting, it's not relevant. It's a close fight but McGregor seems to have the edge in striking and while Poirier's sub game is excellent he would have to get Conor to the ground which may not be easy for him. When a fight's close, you still have to pick someone and I had Poirier initially before thinking about it more, especially after reading the Jack Slack article linked in this thread.

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09.24.2014 | 11:44 AM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 1  

McGregor's loss to Sitenkov is about as relevant as Anderson Silva's loss to Takase was when he started his UFC career, if not less so, since it was even further back in time. Sitenkov is basically a guy that quickly dives for a sub and if he can catch his opponent quickly, great, if not, he gets beat later. He managed to catch a very green McGregor, he wouldn't do it again.

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CthulhuJones
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09.24.2014 | 11:57 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

If we're discounting losses I guess we can discount Poirier's loss to Castillo since it was contested at 155 where he doesn't fight anymore, it was 4 years ago, etc etc. excuses. If this is the case we're left with Poirier losing to TKZ and Cub Swanson and McGregor losing to Joseph Duffy. I'm fine with my pick.
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09.24.2014 | 12:19 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 1  

More from Jack Slack. All about 178 and with part of it on Poirier.

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09.24.2014 | 12:42 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 1  

@CT: It's because I don't think it is a toss up. 

Fight picking isn't all about looking at records, it's also about evaluating the skills of fighters when you see them in action. Against common opponents, Poirier has looked iffy to me. He's been dropped in each of his last 2-3 fights by dudes McGregor fought circles around and blew out of the water. 

I'm an experienced striker, and McGregor is leaps and bounds ahead of Poirier in that department. Being tough and having KO power does not make you an elite striker. Distance and timing does, and McGregor's got that in spades. 

Of course, Poirier is a great fighter and could win this, but if he does, I highly doubt it will be striking. He's an underrated grappler, so that's his best bet IMO. 

Furthermore, I don't get why ppl keep bringing up the KZ and Swanson fights when he LOST BOTH. And was FINISHED in one of them. Yes, he's got more experience against top competition. Cool. He lost. 

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09.24.2014 | 12:43 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

I just watched Poirier's fight with Brookins and Brookins was able to rock him pretty hard before Poirier got the SUB. 

For those who don't remember. Brookins striking? Not that good.
poir420
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09.24.2014 | 12:57 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 1  

He also got rocked by Holloway and then finished him, he got rocked by Akira and then finished him.

"“All of a sudden, he was shooting for a takedown, and I’m like, ‘Oh, you’re a wrestler now? Remember, I’m the black belt in jiu-jitsu. And you’re shooting on me now? This is a wrap." - Nate Diaz"

CthulhuJones
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09.24.2014 | 1:19 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

I'll take a well rounded fighter over an exceptionally good at one thing fighter almost every time. 
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09.24.2014 | 1:23 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

That Jack Slack article was a really great read. It highlighted most of my concerns with picking Poirier in this fight. These are both super tough dudes, and top 10 guys without a doubt. I just think Dustin is a little too hitable.

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09.24.2014 | 1:55 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   correct Round 1  

Do not care for Conor McGregor the person, however, this is the best top 10 match-up he could ask for. It could get interesting if Poirier can get him down, but I think he will stand for too long with Conor.
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09.24.2014 | 3:20 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   wrong Decision  

This is the most winnable fight for Conor in the top 10. A lot of people think that in saying that, you're trying to write-off how good McGregor may be. No. It is. 100%. Here is the top 10, tell me who in the top 10 is a more winnable fight for McGregor than Poirier?
 
  • Jose Aldo 
  • 1. Chad Mendes 
  • 2. Cub Swanson 
  • 3. Frankie Edgar 
  • 4. Ricardo Lamas 
  • 5. Dustin Poirier 
  • 6. Korean Zombie 
  • 7. Dennis Bermudez 
  • 8. Nik Lentz 
  • 9. Conor McGregor 
  • 10. Jeremy Stephens 

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09.24.2014 | 3:25 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

I think you could argue that Stevens is an easier match up for Conor. 

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09.24.2014 | 3:37 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Lentz, Stephens, and Bermudez are all easier fights than Poirier in my opinion.
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09.24.2014 | 3:42 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   wrong Decision  

I could see the argument for Stephens. But I think Lentz would give him fits with his wrestling, and Bermudez is just a beast.

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09.24.2014 | 3:45 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

I think Poirier would handle all 3 of those guys pretty easily. Maybe I'm too high on Poirier. lol.
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09.24.2014 | 3:56 PM ET

Prediction: correct McGregor   correct KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Lamas is awful.

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09.24.2014 | 4:07 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Poirier   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Yeah, he beat Cub Swanson, Hatsu Hioki, almost MDK'd Eric Koch, lost to the champ by decision, and then beat a huge prospect. He's terrible. He's gonna **** Bermudez up and people are gonna be like "Oh yeeeaah, him."
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