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UFC 181: Hendricks vs. Lawler 2 Discussion Thread

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skelliher
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12.05.2014 | 7:37 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 605 Points   |   Tied for 189th

The fighters are weighed in and everyone (thank god) is set for Saturday night. 

Prelims kick off on UFC Fight Pass at 7pm ET followed by more prelims on FS1 at 8pm and the PPV main card at 10pm. 

This should be a great one, boys and girls!

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UFC 181
  • Saturday 12.06.2014 at 10:00 PM ET
  • U.S. Broadcast: Pay Per View | Prelims: Fox Sports 1
  • Promotion: Ultimate Fighting Championship
  • Ownership: Zuffa, LLC
  • Venue: Mandalay Bay Events Center
  • Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States
  • Enclosure: Octagon
  • TV Announcers: Mike Goldberg, Joe Rogan
  • Ring Announcer: Bruce Buffer
  • Post-Fight Interviews: Joe Rogan
  • Ticket Revenue (live gate): $2,488,000
  • Attendance: 9,617
  • PPV Buys / Buyrate: 400,000 | TV Ratings: 840,000 avg. viewers (FS1 prelims)
  • MMA Bouts: 11
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Bout   Info
Robbie Lawler   defeats   Johny Hendricks   via Decision, Split   5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page
Anthony Pettis   defeats   Gilbert Melendez   via Submission, Guillotine Choke   1:53 Round 2 of 5, 6:53 Total Bout Page
Travis Browne   defeats   Brendan Schaub   via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound   4:50 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Todd Duffee   defeats   Anthony Hamilton   via KO/TKO, Punches   0:33 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Tony Ferguson   defeats   Abel Trujillo   via Submission, Rear Naked Choke   4:19 Round 2 of 3, 9:19 Total Bout Page
Urijah Faber   defeats   Francisco Rivera Jr.   via Submission, Bulldog Choke   1:34 Round 2 of 3, 6:34 Total Bout Page
Josh Samman   defeats   Eddie Gordon   via KO/TKO, Head Kick   3:08 Round 2 of 3, 8:08 Total Bout Page
Corey Anderson   defeats   Justin Jones   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Raquel Pennington   defeats   Ashlee Evans-Smith   via Submission, Bulldog Choke   4:59 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page
Sergio Pettis   defeats   Matt Hobar   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Clay Collard   defeats   Alex White   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page

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legacyofmisfortune
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12.07.2014 | 2:34 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 2 Perfect, 390 Points   |   Tied for 1247th

this fight was not nearly as good as the first, it had it's moments but was far from the balls out war of the first fight. I think neither of them were at their best, at the end they both looked disappointed and both seem to think they had lost the fight.  I gave clearly the 1st and 5th rd to Lawler and can see a case for giving him the 4th.  Hendricks lost the fight in the final minute of the 5th round just like Lawler lost the first in the final minute.
I hope the 3rd fight is more like the first one.

I don't think Rory should fight Lawler yet but there's no one else at the moment, if Rory shows up to fight, it should be a great fight. I say Lawler wrecks him


Edit:  I'm ******* pissed that somehow I "picked" Cisco Rivera to win by sub in the first.... obviously I was picking Faber, and that brainfart cost me 100 points.  I punched myself in the balls for that.

just so you know

* Edited at 12.07.2014, 2:37 AM ET *

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12.07.2014 | 2:43 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 465 Points   |   Tied for 1000th

Hendricks did not fight like a champion, he became what he hated and tried to point fight his way to victory and not take much risks. Lawler got the W and looked like a killer in the last minute, but in this fight, it wasn't mainly about Lawler winning, but to me it was about Hendricks playing safe and losing which is the bigger picture for me. As he said that the presser "I didn't fight" then followed up by "but I should have won".

I am fans of both Hendricks and Lawler, but this needs to be a wake up call for the both of them.

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12.07.2014 | 2:50 AM ET

Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 615 Points   |   Tied for 172nd

That's why you always fight on the ground. Even if you are on bottom, you better be throwing elbows. 

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12.07.2014 | 2:56 AM ET

Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 2 Perfect, 505 Points   |   Tied for 710th

I believe Robbie won that fight 48-47. In the words of Joe Silva "you can't put your head between a guys legs that much and win a fight" but I will also say that Glenn Trowbridge is the worst judge MMA has ever seen. Yes even over Cecil Peoples. If you go back and look at some of the fights Trowbridge has screwed up it will blow your mind. Rounds 2 and 3 belong to Hendricks but Robbie got 1,4 and 5. New WW champion!!

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12.07.2014 | 4:10 AM ET

rigged

Predictions: 5 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 390 Points   |   Tied for 1264th

Hendrix robbed again
slowly the UFC get ****

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12.07.2014 | 6:06 AM ET

Predictions: 11 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 740 Points   |   4th Place

4th on the leaderboard, I'm sure I'll never top this feat. Definitely was an odd event with CM Punk and the controversial ending.
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12.07.2014 | 7:08 AM ET

Predictions: 10 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 690 Points   |   Tied for 25th with 3 others

Hendricks' problem is that if he doesn't get the KO he tries to play the numbers instead of fighting. He straight out says it in the post-fight interviews ... after the GSP fight he "counted" takedowns, he won the first fight by "scoring" takedowns in the 5th without trying to do anything with them and he lost this one by trying to control with his wrestling to eat up time without Robbie mounting offense and score.

That's his main problem, he comes from wrestling, where it's a sport and scoring is very important and actually has very defined criteria.

This is MMA, there's some sort of guidelines, but you need to remember that you're in a fight, you've got these crazy credentials in arguably the best origin martial art for MMA, use the wrestling to beat someone up, don't use it to score points, because some days the judges will give you those points and on others a judge might say, "**** it, this dude's fighting for the world title, he ain't scoring any points in a fight by preventing offense. As far as I'm concerned, head in ballsack = neutral position".

When you play the numbers game it's gonna backfire eventually, Machida learnt it vs. Davis and Hendricks learnt it in the most painful way ever, he lost the thing he worked so hard for, ironically, in the same way he won it. So maybe he learns from this.

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12.07.2014 | 9:06 AM ET

Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 5 Perfect, 655 Points   |   Tied for 72nd

I would have given the fight to Hendricks, but there really was no winner in that fight. Neither of them accomplished anything offensively impressive against the other. 

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12.07.2014 | 9:42 AM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 540 Points   |   Tied for 519th

I smell a rubber match if GSP does not come back and Rory fails again.

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12.07.2014 | 9:53 AM ET

Predictions: 10 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 680 Points   |   Tied for 35th with 2 others

I think it's pretty much ******** that Rocky didn't get performance of the night. That bulldog choke was sick!
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12.07.2014 | 10:00 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 490 Points   |   Tied for 887th

Pettis and Hobar was not FOTN either. Collard and White, Ferguson and Trujillo, or Rocky and Ashlee should have gotten that. Gotta hurl money at the Pettis bros though.
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12.07.2014 | 11:18 AM ET

Predictions: 9 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 615 Points   |   Tied for 160th

I wasn't able to watch the card, i was at a wrestling tournament all day and had to focus on my performance so i really wasn't able to keep up with it. Can somebody give me a basic overview of how the card went?
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12.07.2014 | 3:23 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 605 Points   |   Tied for 189th

Very good card overall IMO. The prelims were full of competitive matches and highlight-reel finishes, with only one so-so fight between Anderson and Jones and an unfortunate ******** ending to Faber/Rivera. 

The main card was good. Ferguson/Trujillo started the card off right. Back-and-forth battle where Trujillo's power and aggression threatened early and Ferguson's technique and gameness brought him back in it. The HW fights went how HW fights go. Made the co-main arrive a little sooner than I'd have liked for my money. 

Pettis showed he's one of the best of all time when he's healthy. Brilliant performance that elevates him in the all-time debate IMO. 

Lawler/Hendricks 2 didn't live up to the first fight. Both guys had a lot of respect for the other's power, and the rounds were frustrating depending on who you were rooting for at any given time. Hendricks may have done the more effective point fighting while Lawler did more damage. 

As you've seen, opinions are largely split over the decision, but I'd watch them do it again, brother.

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12.07.2014 | 3:37 PM ET

Predictions: 10 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 680 Points   |   Tied for 35th with 2 others

Just watched the main event again. Seeing it a second time showed me it wasn't as bad of a call as people are making it out to be. Round was for Lawler, I thought pretty obviously. Round 2 was a bit closer than I remembered, though it still went to Hendricks. Round 3 was all Hendricks. Round 4 was the deciding factor. It was close, but at the end when Robbie was landing heavy ground and pound, I thought he took the round. Last round, dominant for Lawler. 

I see no way those was a 49-46 to either man, but I do agree that Lawler won. It was a close fight, and there needs to be a trilogy fight for sure.... But not emediantly. Give Rory his shot, and the winner of Woodley/Gastelum his as well, while Hendricks fights a few more dudes. Then if they both continue to win, then make the trilogy fight. 
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12.07.2014 | 3:39 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 540 Points   |   Tied for 519th

What about Lombard?

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12.07.2014 | 4:17 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 540 Points   |   Tied for 519th

If I recall the numbers correctly,,Lawler had more strikes in 1 and 5 and Hendricks had 2,3,4 plus five takedowns. Shouldn't that win the fight for Hendricks?  He had twelve takedowns stopped but he was still being controlled against the fence for most of them.

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12.07.2014 | 4:37 PM ET

Predictions: 8 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 600 Points   |   Tied for 200th

Getting teabagged because your holding a guy against the cage should nit win you a fight. 

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12.07.2014 | 4:38 PM ET

Predictions: 10 of 11 Winners, 4 Perfect, 680 Points   |   Tied for 35th with 2 others

I don't really think that if you're head in in between some dude's legs, you're in control...
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12.07.2014 | 4:39 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points   |   Tied for 728th

@skell How high do you have Pettis all-time at LW? I have difficulty ranking him simply because he looks spectacular on the rare occasion he steps into cage. Since WEC 53 Cerrone has fought 15 times, Henderson has fought 11 times, and even Jamie Varner has fought 10 times, while Pettis has only managed 6 fights. Aldo has fought 7 times and he's ALWAYS injured. It's just difficult to determine how to rank a guy that hasn't had to fight nearly as many top fighters as the other guys that are up there in the all-time rankings.

On a sidenote, why do we not have all-time rankings for the fighters on Tapology for the different weight classes?

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12.07.2014 | 4:43 PM ET

Predictions: 7 of 11 Winners, 3 Perfect, 505 Points   |   Tied for 728th

Pettis is the LW GOAT, anyone claiming otherwise is wrong, 

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