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03.29.2014 | 3:05 AM ET

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niko
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03.29.2014 | 3:05 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Meza   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Doesn't anyone else think that Pettis is overrated and has terrible TDD? Meza will need to take down and GNP his ass.
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03.29.2014 | 7:25 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

I do think Pettis needs to work on his TDD , I also think Pettis has a solid ground game even off his back so maybe thats why he doesn't work it as much.
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03.29.2014 | 4:42 PM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Pettis could very well lose again.  I was hoping he would win in his first UFC fight but obviously that did not work out.

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03.29.2014 | 4:43 PM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   correct Decision  

....he beat Will Campuzano in his first UFC fight.

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03.30.2014 | 3:31 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

I do think it was funny how the commentators were praising Sergio in his last fight and talking like he had already won and he gets tapped in the last round of his fight. But as much as it would make me happy to see my local talent beat Pettis, Meza looked pretty terrible in his last fight so this is almost a give me to Pettis.

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03.30.2014 | 3:35 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Little Pettis should drop to 125lbs until he fills out more, I want Scoggins vs Pettis!!! This should be a.gimmie fight for him but I.dont think Sergio is the same talent Anthony is.

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03.30.2014 | 4:58 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  

I think Pettis' problem is that he's an undersized 135er. I get that it's getting harder for him to cut the weight as he grows older, but he's never going to be top level if he stays at 135.

As for the good ground game, it ain't worth **** if your TDD sucks (which at 135 most likely always will), fighters are getting caught in triangles and armbars less and less, your average UFC fighter knows how to stay clear of a bottom submission and even if they do slip, more and more guys have learned how to defend them and subsequently survive them. Add that to the fact that MMA judges know jack **** about the ground game a rarely score damage or threat from the bottom and you've got no other option for Pettis. He needs to fight guys his size, not trimmed down 145ers and 155ers who'll muscle him down eventually and keep him there to score points.

If threatening for a submission (or almost having one) would score more than keeping top position maybe the "active guard" or "good off his back" reasoning would hold ground, but the reality is that because he has such an active guard it prevents guys from going for **** or changing posture thus giving him even less opportunity to catch them in something.

As long as MMA judging is so bad, the guard and off-back Jitz game is getting more and more obsolete, which is a shame because it's one of the most beautiful parts of MMA is you ask me.

* Edited at 03.30.2014, 4:59 AM ET *

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03.30.2014 | 6:13 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Score a takedown for what it's worth, we've seen people knocked out, broken ribs, dislocated shoulders and all sorts of things from takedowns. That said once the fight hits the mat full guard is neutral position and fights like Mousasi vs Mo, Condit vs Hendricks, Mighty Mouse vs Miguel Torres, were all ******** decisions. You say guys know how to defend triangles and armbars yoss? Cmon, give me a ******* break half the.guys don't even train off their back unless its wall waking and creating scrambles to get.back to their feet. Everyone wants to be a wrestler, top game guy now, the rules and.bias warped the sport for the worst. Those close submissions a lot of  time do more damage than getting dropped on the feet does..

I leave my hope in guys like Marcin Held and Benny Dairush, young guys with a lot of skill and great records. Palhares is amazing too, truly. My opinion is scoring should be fair enough as to where pulling guard is a real weapon in these fights. I'll tell you one more thing, maybe its me what do I know, just your neighborhood troll but there's a lot of blatant openings for triangles, armbars, d'arces and guillotines...**** .happened to omoplatas? They're great for escapes and taking the back....you see when.guys get that standing kimura against the cage and try to crank it on the feet? If they'd jump guard while cranking...they'd get the submission a lot more....these ************s aren't trying to submit nobody off their back, its almost no ones MO.

If.they.scored fairly and.guys.who were the more.effective fighter won even if on their back all night...youd see a  more submissions and grappling exchanges...the ground would.take on a dynamic life of its own.

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03.30.2014 | 6:50 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  

Why would they try and score a submission off their back if they get absolutely no recognition from the judges and leave themselves in a compromised position if they don't (and as I wrote, as long as MMA is still scored by incompetent, ignorant boxing judges, full guard will always be a compromised position, which given the history of MMA is about ironic as you can get)?

The judges need to be educated, but until then, no one can sell me and "active guard" or "good off his back" as an excuse for not having good TDD because it just doesn't cut it.

And I stand by my statement that way more fighters know how to defend a triangle/armbar from the bottom/any-sort-of-plata these days, so active guard just means that the top fighter will do less because even if he's a GnP stylist, he'll risk it less vs. a dude with an active guard and just hold position.

MMA judges need to be MMA specialists, not boxing moonlighters.

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03.30.2014 | 7:14 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

I was.agreeing with you entirely however this idea people have than.MMA has reached such a high level  submission defense that submission.artists.and.guard work is incompetent is.so ******* stupid I.want to strangle.somebody. it has entirely to do with the ****** up judges  scoring system.  Standups encourage stalling rather than discouraged it. It's ******* stupid, one of the biggest problems with MMA right now, soon jiu jitsu.practitioners wont even be able to come into MMA if this keeps up. I just wanted to stress the emphasis on submissions especially from guard or ones that risk giving up position is almost 0%....so many times from mount you can set up triangles and armbars....so many.times darces and guillotines are.available, omoplatas are.a.thing still...cant  remember the last time I saw one of those in the UFC. Guys aren't even training submissions.and.guard and meh...******* bums me out.

You're right though, you gotta adapt to.the rules.but those submissions are.there these wrestlers dont have.this  amazing defense where triangles and armbars aren't possible, its the unfair judging and pre conceived notion of it all. Id like to see judging be aware of this but Dana thinks. Gil vs Sanchez is all the fans.want. they're ruining the totality and purity. Whatever. 

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03.30.2014 | 7:18 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Also when guys have your back all around, they don't try.to trap the arm with the leg or transfer to an armbar not even when.those.options are wide open. They just ride out the round when they.feel the rear.nakedisn't there...I wish instead of TUF.Mexico and Ronda Rousey they could.worry about real issues for.a.change....I.feel like.this.UFC.****.is.trying to be WWE with a NBA type regime sport wise. 

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03.30.2014 | 7:23 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  

Actually in relation to this conversation, focusing on Rousey might be a good thing, since she's the only one out there still going for armbars :))))))

Just kidding, I agree, the first thing on the agenda should be pressuring commissions to have adequate judging in the sport. People put a lot on the line to get into those cages/rings and if they lose it should be within the sport's boundaries.

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03.30.2014 | 7:28 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Any idea why it's not being done or how to go about it? I feel as if Dana and Zuffa made a.big deal out of it and cared a little it'd be solved already. Over time past fighters becoming judges may or may not help...a lot of fighters think top position = auto win too, because that's what they were fed to believe. It's a mess.

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03.30.2014 | 7:44 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  

You know how those relic-bodies are ... for the dinosaur commissions to move in any other direction than their already set course they'll need real pressure, but since the promotions don't have that much choice as of now because not having the fights sanctioned by commissions would open even more ignorant "MMA=brutal ****fighting" ****, they kinda have to take what the commissions will give them.

I think the bigger and more mainstream MMA gets, the more pull promotions like the UFC will have on the commissions, but as of now they're still in take it or leave it land.

That's just my guess anyways.

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03.30.2014 | 9:44 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   correct Decision  

omoplatas are hard to catch someone in without a gi

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03.30.2014 | 9:55 AM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   correct Decision  

Even if Dana says `We don't need NY, NJ is just as good`, until MMA is legal in NY and sanctioned by the state's AC it'll be their #1 goal and not rocking the boat until it happens appears to be their course of action.

Once NY is accomplished we may see bigger issues to us, like scoring criteria, scoring system, and refs/judges become higher up the priority list without them having to worry how each thing they pursue may affect NY.  That's the impression I get, not that it's the answer we'd get.

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03.30.2014 | 2:50 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Meza   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Anyone think that Pettis could get out muscled in the Meza fight? Seems like Meza is getting written off against Pettis. Pettis is so overhyped it's terrible. I thought he lost vs. Campuzano. 
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03.30.2014 | 3:17 PM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  

What has Pettis done to be worthy of the hype other than have the right last name? Not critiquing, honestly curious.
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03.30.2014 | 3:31 PM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

For being 20.he looked.pretty amazing against.Caceres.who.I.have prettyhigh regard for. He is quite obviously na.very talented guy.

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03.30.2014 | 3:40 PM ET

Prediction: correct Pettis   correct Decision  

i wish he would drop to 125 though.

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