Dana White is now " Committed" to bringing female MMA to the Octagon.

Looks like it will happen when Strikeforce  is no more. Opinions?

Didnt Winslow ref the Cyborg/Finney massacre? That was awful

Yes, Winslow refereed that fight.

Has any one made a kim winslow "highlight"?  I would love to see a compilation of her bad calls.  I dont want to bash her but putting together the evidence could be beneficial if someone more tech savvy than I were to take on the challenge.

There's a Kim Winslow video about the Cyborg/Finney fight. I or someone else should do that, would probably be good to point out how incompetent she is.

Kim Winslow decides that Julia Budd needs to have her arm dislocated:

King Mo about the late stoppage:

Not a good move. UFC should remain a male matter.

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UFC should remain a fighting thing, male or female

Against Julia Budd, Kim stopped the fight as soon as she saw Julia tap.  About a second after I saw the tap.  You can't fault the ref for not stopping a fight if the fighter doesn't tap.  Look at the Royce Gracie/Matt Hughes fight.

Gracie NEVER tapped.  He refused even when his arm was bent backwards.  Dan Hardy didn't tap to GSP.  

You guys are completely unfair to Kim Winslow.  Winslow HAD to wait until the tap.  I didn't see the King Mo fight.

@bill i have no idea why you are so adamant that Winslow is a competent referee. Julia Budd's elbow is sticking straight up in the air for a few seconds, and it is clearly dislocated. Winslow shows zero intent to stop the fight, even though Budd is not tapping. That's a technical submission when that happens. Referees are supposed to stop the fight when an arm is destroyed from an armlock like that.

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Winslow and Rosales are the 2 refs that I am afraid of allowing death in a fight

@Bill, I'm getting the impression that you're rather new to this. You're completely wrong that a ref "has" to wait until the fighter taps, quite the opposite. Just like the ref doesn't have to wait until a battered fighter who can't defend being hit any more falls down in an unconscious heap to call the fight off as a KO (that's why they're called a Technical Submission and a Technical Knockout respectively). By your way of thinking Herb Dean shouldn't stop Mir when he broke Tim Sylvia's arm, after all Sylvia never tapped, Mir should just keep adding breaks, after all what's the problem, just more metal in the arm afterwards (and while Sylvia vehemently denied being hurt after the stoppage, after the operation he said he's thankful to Herb for stopping it, because otherwise his arm would be so damaged he could never fight again). Or Big John should not stop Jon Jones from choking Machida, since he never tapped. After all if he died right there, there would be no doubt who won the fight, right?

Of course Kim can just as well stop the fight when not only there's no tap, but the hold is not fully applied and there's no damage done like the Perez-Albert fight. And before you start arguing that there was, in the post fight interview Perez himself said that he was surprised, because he was still in the process of locking the hold on, Albert was not submitting, but (in his words) "the ref is saying stop stop", so he did, because the ref is the final authority in the cage.

We have a self proclaimed Rosa Parks of MMA . Maybe Winslow should be deemed the Helen Keller of MMA  :p

If UFC insists on making girl fights, they should make all male and all female cards, so I can skip the female ones.

Nothing wrong with maybe 2 weight classes or just the one weight class till skill develops more, which it will if ufc supports it. Most all woman fights minus a few stars will start the prelims, cant hurt anything, this isnt hockey football or basketball.

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It'll probably be awhile when there's more depth.

anyone trying to defend Kim Winslow should deactivate their tapology account and throw their computer out their window.,

It's kinda hard to defend any ref in any sport, are you new to sports?

Chill out Jitz.She is by far the best highway-side Denny's waitress in MMA today.

My paint skills aren't great,But I give it my all!!!

Gentlemen.  If you can't discuss civilly, I won't even bother.  Please keep it positive.  We're pleasantly discussing sports, not negotiating Jerusalem.  

When the ref calls the fight is one of the most difficult things they do.  It's a matter of micro moments.  Most refs wait until a fighter taps to call the fight.  They are trying hard to position themselves to see the action, monitor the figher's facial expressions, involuntary sounds, etc.  

Herb Dean and Big John McCarthy are acknowledged as the best of the best.  Kate Winslow may have been too slow on an occasion or two.  It's too easy for the you guys to knock her, systematically.  No ref would say they are perfect or haven't made a bad call or blown a judgement.  It happens.  

I said nothing about a ref not having to wait to stop a fight if a man can't defend himself properly.  Did I??  We were discussing a ref stopping a fight due to a submission attempt.  One of the hardest things to do perfectly.  

I am not adament in defending ref Winslow.  I am discussing the example offered with intelligence.  Budd had every chance to tap and Winslow was trying to determine if she was defending intelligently.  That's a hard thing to determine in an instant.  Maybe she was a moment too slow.  But even if she was, one late stoppage is not a pattern that has been demonstrated on this thread for discussion purposes.

If she has a pattern of late stoppages, she should be required to attend a ref clinic.  Which she probably would not mind doing.  So, I don't see the problem here, except some members enjoy too much fighting for arguing sake.

@Joe Kerr  I am not new to watching.  Been watching since UFC 1 in 1993.  Bringing up the Mir/Silvia case is controversial.  Silvia was furious.  His arm was broken.  I think the ref was right to stop it.  But an argument can be made on both sides.  Forrest Griffin once fought with a broken arm and won.  Rich Franklin broke his hand in fighting Chuck Liddell but still knocked him out.  Fighters fight while hurt and the fans don't even know it.  

Brazilian Jitz.  Please reactivate your brain and reinstal it into your skull.  It might improve your debate skills.

These issues are not going away and will continue to cause controversy.  And for anyone of you guys to suggest that there are easy answers doesn't make you necessarily a jerk.  Just wrong.

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You want us to discuss civilly but you are the one that just made personal attacks Bill.
Anytime a fighter visibly has a broken limb the fight should be stopped. Period.