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01.22.2012 | 12:37 PM ET
Instant replay I am sure is another FOX idea that will only create more trouble than it is worth. Similar to the Strike camera they created for baseball games which now have people criticizing every pitch of a game even though you don't get an accurate view of the strike zone due to the camera angle. while Instant replay may work for sports like NFL, NHL and NBA it does not have a place in MMA or BASEBALL.
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01.24.2012 | 11:37 AM ET
perhaps its somthing an athletic commision could trial on ammy bouts, like california do with half point scoring.
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01.24.2012 | 11:49 AM ET
Also again - if they stop the action while in sub position it will be restarted in sub position. IT HAS BEEN DONE. Why the hell can't you acknowledge the fact that things like that have happened and no one complained. Again. Go rewatch some PRIDE matches.
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01.24.2012 | 1:02 PM ET
I am still waiting to hear from those of you that support it how to use it effectively. I have on several occasions stated why I feel it is not a good idea but have yet to hear one way to implement it. If all you can say is It will be great, than i am done with this conversation.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.24.2012 | 2:06 PM ET
As for why to implement you have not been reading my posts with understanding and you have pointed out some yourself:
1) Phantom Knee
2) Back of the head hits
3) Phantom tapping
4) Eye Poke/Phantom Eye poke
5) Fence Grabbing
6) Extreme cases of early stoppages (when the fighter is not KO'd but knocked down)
7) Probably many other controversial cases I forgot about.
In all those cases restart it in the last position, unless it was an illegal move than stop the fight.
* Edited at 01.24.2012, 2:07 PM ET *
"“Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.” ― Oscar Wilde"
01.24.2012 | 2:20 PM ET
I think we all agree that there have been bad stoppages, decisions, foul calls and other random **** we would like to change. Are challenge flags next????
I mean UFC reviewed the Silva-Prater fight and didn't overturn the decision. so what is the benefit in using it for an instance like that. As i said in post a ways back if you use it to enforce punishment on referees than maybe I can support it but if not than I want no part of it. every time a fight goes to instant replay a ref should get a yellow card, 3 yellow cards in a set time period should equal a suspension from refereeing because obviously you are incompetent at your job.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.24.2012 | 2:25 PM ET
NorBar,
Lets look at the phantom knee because I think we both agree that is a good example. how would instant replay change that and what would you suggest to do in a situation like that?
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.24.2012 | 2:31 PM ET
I really don't see any problem at all with instant replay. Like Greg pointed out earlier, they'd only be using it when there's already a pause in action anyway like if there's a groin shot, shot to the back of the head, eye poke, etc. I very highly doubt that implementing instant replay would slow down fights. I think it'd be great to have.
Another thing that IR would be good for is for when people like Koscheck fake minor injuries like eye pokes to get a breather during the fight. I doubt many fighters do this, but I 100% believe Koscheck has done it multiple times like against Johnson or Daley.
Edit - Obviously there will be some cons to having instant replay, but I think the pros outweight the cons. Not to mention there's a bunch of cons to NOT having IR.
* Edited at 01.24.2012, 2:33 PM ET *
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01.24.2012 | 2:34 PM ET
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.24.2012 | 2:48 PM ET
In reference to phantom tapping and fence grabbing. How to you stop the action review the tape and decide if they did it or not. In reference to Phantom tap do you put him back in the armbar or Guillotine? Even with replay on taps like Omigawa or Akira it's not a definite tap. Eye pokes are even hard to see on the replay and I believe have only ended 1 fight in UFC history like that. As for fence grabbing to you award the TD and do you give dominate or neutral position. Early stoppages is the biggest thing that can't be changed no matter what. Because even if the stoppage was early who's to say the next punch doesn't put him out. You stop the fight review the tape and decide he wasn't out but you've also given him a chance to recover. Fights are so much about momentum, losing that momentum to check tape can be critical. That is a big problem with Ring fights and fights in Pride that fighters would slide out of the ring to avoid being hit or get a restart to get away from a submission. Restarts were the worst thing about Pride and all fights that take place in a ring.
The best thing is to offer better defined rules. To determine what exactly a strike to the back of the head is. What process must be followed in order to DQ a fighter. Make the appeal process public and have officials write a statement as to why a fight was or was or was not overturned. The calls will never be perfect because humans aren't perfect.
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01.24.2012 | 4:00 PM ET
@Bigj383 actually in case of fence grabbing the fight should not be stopped. Maybe in between the rounds you could rewatch it. As for others yes there are cases where an interruption would loose momentum but there are also some where they would not. As with anything in MMA it depends on the referee/judges and on the rules. The idea may be good or bad depending on the implementation. I'm not 100% for it. I'm just not on the hate train like Lopati.
"“Anyone who lives within their means suffers from a lack of imagination.” ― Oscar Wilde"
01.24.2012 | 4:14 PM ET
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.26.2012 | 9:16 PM ET
an article discussing instant replay.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.26.2012 | 10:42 PM ET
I would be in favor for instant replay. There is some replays that can be usefull and some that cannot be useful. Early Stoppage : You restart the fight in the latest position. Yes it's not fair for the guy who almost had the finish but it it also unfair for the guy that never tapped or was not Ko!
Eye Poke or phantom knee : They should stop the fight and verify right away. if it's real , you deduct or give a warning. If not you deduct for faking or give a warning.
Illegal hit : This should be check right away when ref has BIG DOUBTS (not when only questionning) : If it's real , you deduct a point, if not you restart in the same position.
Ref did not see illegal : You overturned a decision with a good team that works with instant replay.
Also when the fight is stop (round end) is a good time to review some replay but they are already doing that.
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01.26.2012 | 10:43 PM ET
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01.26.2012 | 10:54 PM ET
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01.27.2012 | 1:25 AM ET
* Edited at 01.27.2012, 1:26 AM ET *
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01.27.2012 | 1:29 PM ET
i disagree
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01.27.2012 | 2:32 PM ET
* Edited at 01.27.2012, 2:37 PM ET *
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset
01.27.2012 | 2:50 PM ET
@Bigj383 Explain me why with examples and you might be able to get your point. For now , your argument is pointless !
Taking 2 days is normal for something that has not been implemanted yet. There is a way to implement instant replay without losing any kind of show. Of course if you are giving exemple like " OMG you can't restart a whole fight because of a that" or you can't take 2 minutes reviewing that because they will have time to catch their breath. " are not good exemple of using an instant replay.
"GSP for the win"
01.27.2012 | 3:00 PM ET
Early stoppages are a part of the sport.
People need to stop expecting perfection from imperfect beings. This is not a game on your Xbox, this is real life. There is no such thing as perfection.
"One does not hunt in order to kill; on the contrary, one kills in order to have hunted. If one were to present the sportsman with the death of the animal as a gift he would refuse it." Jose Ortega y Gasset