UFC 291: Poirier vs. Gaethje 2

The official Tapology discussion thread for the event!

If anyone is sure that Jan's takedowns and control on the ground didn't matter in this fight - I can understand your point. But not your point that Alex won.
 Pereira  definitely did not enough to WIN this fight. So, the fairest judges decision would be to give a DRAW to these two. It's maximum for Alex IMO

Now back to the fight between Blachowicz and Ankalaev. Dagestani guy landed takedowns on one leg actually, MADE DAMAGE and controled on the ground Polish guy in the later rounds, without giving any chance to Yan.
 Now let me remind you that you saw Alex's victory in this night, but his performance was less impressive than between of Yan and Ankalaev, from anyone of them. Pereira was lay on his back for half of the fight and got the victory. A WIN, not a draw. And Ankalaev got a DRAW.

Maybe now it has become a little clearer to you what I meant about karma for Jan. But in any case, if you watched these two fights and agree with the judges decisions in both, then do not dare to declare that you understand how to score MMA fights. You'd better **** and google what objectivity is.

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 5:28 AM ET *

looks like someone had money on Ankalaev 

Nah, I lost money that night when bet on Paddy by KO😂

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 5:13 AM ET *

It not about objectivity with scoring, Damage is the only thing that should be scored, it’s not about control, it what you do with it, Jan did **** all on the ground after the first  and Alex won on damage 

I don’t get mad at people not following the criteria because even half the judges don’t know or don’t use the criteria and score control 

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 6:10 AM ET *

judging isn't as simple as you're trying to make it out to be, damage weighs more than other criteria but its not the "only" thing that should be scored


for example, if i'm able to easily pass your guard and sit in a dominant grappling position (half guard, back mount, full mount, side control etc etc) for 4 minutes without doing damage but in the last exchange of the round you land one single decent shot on me, you did not win the round even though you dealt more damage

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Yes, you do, read the rules

So many people don’t know how to score mma 

you're simply wrong lmao

effective grappling is just as important as effective striking, advancing into a dominant position on the ground is effective grappling

It literally said damage trumps all bro, learn to read 

Effective grappling is damage grappling, not stalling the fight 

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 6:25 AM ET *

maybe you need to learn to read bro

"successful execution of takedowns, submission attempts, reversals and the achievement of advantageous positions that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribue to the end of the match"

here, i typed it out for you maybe it's easier this way


you need to watch MMA some more if you think being in half guard, or full mount or side control etc is "stalling" the fight

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 6:36 AM ET *

It literally said “position that  pruduce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribute to the end of the match”, Stalling out the round is not that, but you know what is, Effective grappiling, Ground and pound and submission are What important 

Also, I do respect top position when people do stuff from it, if you just want to control, your boring and I don’t want to watch you fight, 95% of mma grappling is good because of damage from ground and pound or sub attempts

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 6:52 AM ET *

Alright. I didn't have anything better to do, so here's my opinion. I just rewatched the Jan vs Pereira fight. Round 1 was a clear Jan round. Jan took Pereira down early and won that round on ground control time. I don't think that needs further explanation. 

Round 2 starts competitive until Jan takes Pereira down in minute 3:16. He basically holds Pereira down without any punishment or sub attempts, but he did control him until minute 2:00. So that's 76 seconds of control time. He keeps Pereira in the clinch for a bit, but after Pereira gets out, Alex goes to work and I think he took good advantage of the remaining time of the round to win it based on damage and output. With a bunch of solid lowkicks and knees. He even had Jan hurt the last 30 seconds of the round and could've finished him, but I think he was being cautious of Jan's counters. Jan even went for the desperate takedown attempt at the last second.

Jan recovered really well going into round 3, but he was still gassed. They exchanged strikes at the start of the round, but Pereira continued with more output, did the more damaging strikes and blocked most strikes Jan tried to land. Jan did land a few good lowkicks, but that wasn't enough to give him that round. With 42 seconds to go to the end of the fight, Jan took Pereira down and controlled him until the round ended. I honestly don't think that takedown counts for much as Pereira won the majority of that round based on output and damage. 

If you think Jan won, you should've scored round 1 and 2 for him. Round 1 was a clear Jan round and round 3 was a clear Pereira round. If you did score the third round for Jan, you judge incorrectly. Simple as that. You can't give Jan the third round based on 42 seconds of control time without any GnP or sub attempts when Pereira landed more damaging strikes that entire round. Jan definitely had a few moments that round, but Pereira blocked the majority of Jan's strikes. I personally believe Round 2 was the most competitive round and I honestly wouldn't blame anyone for scoring that round for Jan. 

With that said, people should stop calling this a robbery. It wasn't a clear Jan win nor was it a clear Pereira win. A robbery is when there is a clear cut winner. Meaning that a fighter clearly and undoubtedly won two or three rounds. Which wasn't the case at all. So many people are misusing the term and it's just getting out of hand.

Lastly, if you scored this a draw... shame on you.

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 11:05 AM ET *

9 finishes in 11 fights

Looks like it would have been an interesting watch, woke up I don't watch the fights like I use to but I try to check the news and saw Gaethje by head kick thought, "that couldn't have been good for Dustin". Brutal kick, not the most technically thrown high kick you'll see but Duston blocked and obviously Justin's shins, feet etc are made of stone. 

Sad to see Tony go out on his shield like that, I will always remember Tony Time and he's easily still one of my favourite fighters, but it's time to call it a career man. Bobby Green rarely finishes his fights, he's a great fighter who relies on movement that just doesn't work in MMA sometimes, but solid performance and win for him.

-edit- not gonna take the text away from my initial post but now that I have seen clearer video that was a beautiful head kick and finish, my apologies 

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 12:25 PM ET *

Damage trumps all, if it is even that is when you go to effective grappling. 

Maybe you wouldn’t go 6-11 if you knew how the judging works

Disagree with you here. I'm not an expert but from what Big John has said on his podcast, this bit:

"that produce immediate or cumulative impact with the potential to contribue to the end of the match"

Means that it is only considered effective grappling if it is moving you close to a stoppage. So no just control does not come into factor unless the first criterion has been completely evened out. Now noone judges like that, there's still an element of reasonableness because the rules aren't really reasonable when applied literally. It is what it is though.

Biggest problem Green get bonus for cheating eeking win over washed old Tony Roman gets a good skilled win brutal finish no bonus.

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Even though it was a great card last night, I got pissed off as to why I continue to automatically choose prop outcomes when I choose winners.  I lost out on making a few thousand last night because I assumed that Dustin vs Justin would go into the later rounds.  I had Justin Gaethje + Over 1.5 which gave you extra juice but unfortunately Dustin couldn't last more than a round and a half.  Same thing with Pereira, I had a strong feeling he would win but I kept envisioning him getting a TKO but instead he won by decision.  I am just going to stick with moneylines from here on out, that's all. 

It's the worst freaking way to lose money, imagine you get the winners correct but you lose because you get too greedy and you think you know exactly how they are going to win.  Damn it sucks....

* Edited at 07.30.2023, 3:56 PM ET *

advancing position is MOVING closer to a stoppage. if you're in full guard and manage to pass someone's guard into full mount you are significantly increasing your chances of finishing the fight therefore that's a move that "potentially contributes to the end of the match"

brother your ufc pick % rate is sitting at 60% while mine is sitting at 64%, i think i'll pass on picking comments from someone like you