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Rua vs. Sonnen

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Oddsbot
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06.04.2013 | 12:10 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong Decision  

This is the official discussion thread for Rua vs. Sonnen. Let's see what you've got.

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jaykool777
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08.14.2013 | 11:09 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Overall, this is an exciting card. IMHO, I think that Chael Sonnen's weaknesses play right into Shogun's strengths. I think that the oddsmakers forgot about Shogun's very underrated and often overlooked submission game vs. Chael Sonnen's submission defense.

I think that if Shogun doesn't win this fight, it might be time for him to hang it up. Same could be said for Sonnen. I had to go with Shogun. I really like both fighters, but there's a part of me that keeps hoping the Shogun of old will come back and demolish everyone at 205. A pipe dream, maybe, but in this world, anything is possible.


 

* Edited at 08.14.2013, 11:10 PM ET *

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08.14.2013 | 11:38 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

I love Shogun but he carries a 34% TDD into this fight. Chael has been working his BJJ a lot with Vinny Magalhaes. I think Chael will control Shogun on the ground for 25 minutes and get his hand raised.

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08.15.2013 | 12:33 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

Shogun hasn't won by submission since August 17, 2013....wait a minute.....

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08.15.2013 | 8:22 AM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

@jaykool777, he may have good BJJ on paper, but I don't think it's underrated, he's only got one submission win and that was over Randleman who's not exactly ADCC material.

I know there's a case to be made that he prefers to strike, but I still think he's gone for enough ankles and knees just since he's been in the UFC for him to have at least one more submission if he was some kind of BJJ uber-stud. He usually uses his BJJ to sweep and get back up when taken down. I'm not saying it's crap, but neither are any of those you might think are underrating his BJJ. He's good, he's been doing it for a long time, but it's not underrated, I think most people know that he has good BJJ and I don't think he has amazing BJJ, so he's rated perfectly, imo :)

On the other hand, now that he's not exactly in the "knocking dudes out left and right" stage of his career, Chael Sonnen might be just the guy for him to prove me wrong on taking into consideration Chael's knack of getting submitted.

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08.15.2013 | 10:29 AM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

Lord knows with this one. Rua's very battle-worn, but when's the last time Sonnen's actually won at 205? This is the type of striker vs. grappler match where I do my usual thing, pick the grappler, so I take Sonnen while fully expecting to be wrong

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08.15.2013 | 11:26 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

Chael is a joke

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08.15.2013 | 12:53 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

I don't understand...why are so many people picking Rua via submission...do those people even comprehend the level of difficulty required in leg locking a ******* Olympic wrestler?

Sonnen will wrestle Rua like no other, look at who Rua's fought in the UFC and tell me which ones can actively pursue the takedown the way Sonnen can. Jon Jones doesn't count by the way, 'cause he just decided to beat Rua down with anything.

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08.15.2013 | 12:57 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

Agreed @Anik.

How long has it been since Rua submitted someone? Even more, how long has it been since Rua submitted someone from his guard?

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08.15.2013 | 1:03 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

@mcdowell When was the last time Shogun fought someone with as bad of sub defense as Chael?

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08.15.2013 | 1:07 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

@zarog, you got me there; I guess

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08.15.2013 | 1:15 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong Submission   wrong Round 2  

I dunno. I don't care about this fight enough to really believe in a pick. If Rua had a gas tank, I would be more convinced he'd win, but his inability to fight effectively after the first round against an opponent that is in decent shape makes him one hard to pick. At the same time, Chael has wrestling and.........yeah, wrestling. 205 is just a terrible division. 5-7 years ago it was the premier division, but outside of Jones and Gustafsson they haven't added any good fighters, and all the guys that were at the top are old.

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08.15.2013 | 2:03 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 1  




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08.15.2013 | 2:11 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

^ Hahaha look how much bigger Allistair is than Shogun...funny to think they fought back at 205.

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08.15.2013 | 2:49 PM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 4  

Because it's a five-rounder, I'm going with Shogun, but not surprised either way this one turns out.

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08.15.2013 | 6:42 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  


only two ways this fight goes... rua by tko or sonnen by decision.

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Anik
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08.15.2013 | 11:29 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

Chael Sonnen's sub defense WAS notoriously bad, I have faith in it having improved substantially.

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08.15.2013 | 11:35 PM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   correct Submission   wrong Round 4  


Only 4% Sonnen by sub.  

Shogun looked really tired in the later rounds vs Gus, Vera, and Hendo.  If Shogun gasses hard I think Chael could get a choke. 

Not sure if I'm brave enough to pick the fight that way. 

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08.16.2013 | 12:56 AM ET

Prediction: wrong Rua   wrong KO/TKO   wrong Round 2  

We are talking about a man who isn't exactly renowned for his SUB skills vs a guy with a BJJ black belt. Highly doubt Sonnen submits him. Much more likely that it's the other way around via Shogun heel hook.
DelRose
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08.16.2013 | 2:34 AM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

If sonnen beats Rua, then goes onto beat Wanderlei? He should retire after that. He would be ending his career in a high note.

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08.16.2013 | 5:12 AM ET

Prediction: correct Sonnen   wrong Decision  

@skelliher,

"Because it's a five-rounder, I'm going with Shogun"

I think that's the exact reason I leaning more toward Sonnen. Chael isn't Vera, if this gets pass the 3rd there's no way Rua has anything left after 15 minutes of Chael pressure.

Rua needs to finish this or at least win 2 rounds within the first 15 minutes, imo, after that he's in Chael's world.

* Edited at 08.16.2013, 5:18 AM ET *

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