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Bill Burgess
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12.23.2012 | 4:25 PM ET

Just curious.  Who do you think are the 3 best refs in MMA, and the 3 worst refs.

MMA Referees: Big Jon McCarthy, Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti, Mario Yamasaki, Ives Lavigne, Dan Miragliotta, Josh Rosenthal, Cecil Peoples, Leon Roberts, Larry Landless, Kim Winslow, Greg Franklin, Mike Beltran, Kevin Mulhall, Marc Goddard, 


* Edited at 12.23.2012, 4:56 PM ET *

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p4pgoat
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12.23.2012 | 4:38 PM ET

Best:

1. Herb Dean

2. Big John

3. Mario Yamasaki

Worst:

1. Steve Mazagatti

2. Kim Winslow

3. Yves Lavigne

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12.23.2012 | 4:42 PM ET

Best:

1. Herb Dean
2. Big John
3. Dan Miragliotta
4. Mario Yamasaki
5. Yves Lavigne

Worst:

1. Mazagatti
2. Winslow. 

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Bill Burgess
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12.23.2012 | 4:45 PM ET

I have nothing but respect for Herb Dean, but Big John McCarthy will always be my favorite.  I think he reffed all the UFC events up to UFC 30!

He became my favorite when he once thundered to a guy at the beginning of a fight, "Hey!  Get your ass behind that line!"  He has a sense of authority and command like no other.  He and Herb never fail to 'lunge' in to save someone, throwing their own body into harm's way.

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MQuestionable
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12.23.2012 | 4:47 PM ET

Jason Herzog GOAT




Bill Burgess
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12.23.2012 | 4:58 PM ET

It seems like Dana White's favorite target is Steve Mazzagatti, but this house's favorite target is Kim Winslow.

But on MMA discussion boards, the worst seems to be Cecil Peoples, who is also a judge, and he gets his buttocks roasted over an open fire for both, for some reason.

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hdmexiqtioner
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12.23.2012 | 4:59 PM ET

What was the name of that one ref that did basically all of the PRIDE FC fights? He was pretty good.

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12.23.2012 | 5:08 PM ET

I like:

Big John
Herb Dean
Jason Herzog
Josh Rosenthal (besides the Weidman/Munoz fight)
Kevin Mulhall

I don't like:


Mario Yamasaki
Kim Winslow
Greg Franklin
Mike Beltran

Should never Ref again:

Marcos Rosales
Cecil Peoples



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MQuestionable
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12.23.2012 | 5:15 PM ET

@HDMex Shimada, I like him usually, but he's been very, very iffy lately in ONE FC.  He caused a lot of confusion over legal/illegal soccer kicks.
Bill Burgess
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12.23.2012 | 5:15 PM ET

It seems like the athletic commission has assigned a lot of lesser known refs to our events in the last few months.

Anyone remember their names?

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12.23.2012 | 5:18 PM ET

@HDM, would that be Yuji Shimada? btw you can now see him quite often at the SUPA FITE LEEG shows.

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12.23.2012 | 5:18 PM ET

@MQ well the rules have been very iffy for ONE FC, but his Refing in PRIDE was very good.

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MQuestionable
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12.23.2012 | 5:22 PM ET

Yeah the open guard rule was stupid, but Shimada was completely incompetent regarding it.  

Shimada to Zoro (Huerta is grounded): "Don't kick the head!"
I'm thinking: "Why can't he kick the head, call open guard already."
Zoro kicks the head anyway.
Shimada:  "I'll allow it!"






* Edited at 12.23.2012, 5:25 PM ET *

mike187
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12.23.2012 | 6:11 PM ET

Marcos Rosales is the worst ref in the history of the sport, he is going to get someone killed. He should have lost his licence for his work at Tachi PF 14.


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Dela Riva
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12.23.2012 | 6:26 PM ET

Lol at anyone who has Mario Yamasaki on their best list. Mario has made some god awful calls. Dan Mirgiolatta is another ref who is not very good.
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12.23.2012 | 10:02 PM ET

I completely second everything Dela Riva just said. Yamasaki is the worst major-league male ref. Mazzagatti is inconsistent but at least the guy puts it all out when it comes to stoppages. The best is Herb Dean of course, closely followed by "Big" John McCarthy and Josh Rosenthal.

Everyone knows that the worst is Kim Winslow.

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12.23.2012 | 10:55 PM ET

Mazzagati seems to not always pay attention which is what causes his bad calls. Cecil Peoples usually judges bigger shows rather than reffing them but I don't think he has any place in the sport. Winslow just does weird **** like the John Albert armbar. The rest I don't have much problem with but I certainly prefer to see herb, big John, rosenthal, or lavegine in title fights

* Edited at 12.24.2012, 12:28 AM ET *

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12.23.2012 | 11:52 PM ET

I agree with hiblet. Mazzagatti is the only real screw up. Winslow actually did pretty well at the TUF 16 Finale. She'll spaz out, but Mazzagatti is consistently bad.
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12.24.2012 | 12:03 AM ET


Im sure I am missing alot but these are the main refs
The Best
Big John
Herb Dean
Herzog
Rosenthal (can be iffy at times but usually solid)
Shimada (though like someone said earlier, he has been iffy lately but I think it had more to do with One FC's bizarre rules)

The Worst
Mazzagati
Rosales (owner of the single worst night of officiating in MMA)
Cecil Peoples
Kim Winslow
Mario Yamasaki (how people think he is one of the best is beyond me, he is constantly indecisive and looks timid with the larger fighters)

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Dela Riva
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12.24.2012 | 12:18 AM ET

Anyone got footage of Rosales refereeing? 
ProdigyKid14
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12.24.2012 | 11:32 AM ET

Best
Big John
Herb
Herzog

Worst
Winslow
Cecil 'I don't count leg kicks' Peoples
Mazzagatti


Marcos Rosales is on another level of horrendous officiating, multiple fighters nearly died at that Tachi show he did. ******* disgusting.

I don't remember Mike Beltran being horrible, but this is an opportunity to post a picture of his hilarious facial hair




* Edited at 12.24.2012, 11:33 AM ET *

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