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08.04.2012 | 3:02 PM ET
The boxing community may never see Floyd Mayweather fight Manny Pacquiao? Would it really be that much of a loss if they never got it?
The MMA fans never saw Fedor Emelianenko fight Randy Couture or Brock Lesnar. We did get to see Brock fight Randy and it was interesting if not that competitive.
So here are my questions for the house.
Would you get excited if GSP announced he was moving up to MW to fight Anderson Silva?
If that fight happened, would you get excited if Anderson Silva announced he was moving up to LHW to fight Jon Jones?
If that fight happened, would you get excited if Jon Jones announced he was moving up to HW?
Would you get excited if Renan Barao was moving up to FW to fight Jose Aldo?
Would you get excited if Jose Aldo were to move up to LW?
Besides exciting the fans, do SuperFights really bring that much value to a sport? Is the sporting element that important? After all, a sport will go on whether or not the best people ever meet in competition.
I've heard over and over here that many fans are sick of talk of SuperFights and I wonder how deep that sentiment really goes.
Any thoughts? Discuss.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:04 PM ET *
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08.04.2012 | 3:05 PM ET
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved" – Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
08.04.2012 | 3:05 PM ET
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08.04.2012 | 3:08 PM ET
The only fighter in that list that should move up in my opinion is Jose Aldo, I think he'd dominate the LW division too that's why. I don't see that happening with any other UFC fighter. GSP vs Silva would be nice to see but again, GSP does not want to lose ever again so he will NEVER take that fight.
Jon Jones will move up eventually, it's inevitable.
Oh and Anderson isn't ducking Jones. Jones has even said that he would refuse to fight Silva because it does absolutely nothing for either of them.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:08 PM ET *
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08.04.2012 | 3:09 PM ET
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved" – Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
08.04.2012 | 3:10 PM ET
Anderson vs Jones - No. Super dangerous fight for Anderson. Jones would certainly take him down with ease and annihilate him with elbows. Anderson has already accomplished so much. There's no need for that. GSP would be a more competitive fight.
Jones at HW - Yes. He's clearly way ahead of the pack, and running out of contenders already. In another year or two I think well see him take a fight or two up there.
Do superfights have value? Sure, any marketable fight has value. Superfights usually more so.
08.04.2012 | 3:13 PM ET
Aldo at lightweight would be awesome. Lot's of great fights up there for him. He should probably defend his belt a few more times first though.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:15 PM ET *
08.04.2012 | 3:14 PM ET
Strikeforce did that one good fight.
I mean Really
Royce vs Shamrock
Smart
Hendo vs Fedor
Pretty ****en Smart
Fedor vs Cro Cop
but yeah i would liked to see
Randy Couture vs Fedor
Bas Rutten vs Wanderlei Silva
Jose Aldo vs Frankie Edgar
Anderson Silva vs GSP
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08.04.2012 | 3:16 PM ET
@analias so you would rather see 2 guys fight that are ridiclously far apart in size (Silva/GSP) then seeing 2 guys that are much closer in size (Silva/Jones) because you're worried Silva would lose?
"We are all human, it's time to prove it."
08.04.2012 | 3:17 PM ET
Regardless, Silva vs Jones would be a lopsided destruction. Silva vs GSP could be competitive. It has nothing to do with not wanting to see SIlva lose. I just want to see the more competitive and interesting fight.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:18 PM ET *
08.04.2012 | 3:22 PM ET
In baseball in the 50's, it was just so important to have the Yankees meet the Giants and the Dodgers each year in the World Series. It was equally important to have Ali meet Joe Frazier not once, not twice but 3 times! Their last fight, the Thrilla in Manilla, was the greatest boxing fight ever.
Coming from a track and field background, I was the best runner in my HS in my junior and senior years. I was just so disgusted that the best middle distance runners so rarely faced each other in races.
Bayi/Walker, Jim Ryun/Gerry Lindgren, Marty Liquori/Steve Prefontaine, Prefontaine/Lasse Viren, Steve Ovett/Seb Coe, Said Aouita/Steve Cram, Said Aouita/Noureddine Morceli, Steve Scott/Eamon Coughlan, Haile Gebrsellassie/Daniel Koman, Gebrsellassie/Paul Tergat, and on and on and on ad nauseum.
Sports lives and dies by its authentic drama. And drama is never more intense than when the best meet on the field to duke it out and see who is the best.
Don't we all want to see who's gonna come out on top? Who's nerves are gonna crack under pressure and beat themselves? Of course we do!
That is why I am just so disappointed that my idol, GSP will probably never get his courage up sufficiently to move up to MW to challenge those guys who are more on his own level. Feel even more disappointed that Spider never will either. Too much protecting of one's record or legacy might be understandable, but still disappointing.
Oh how I wish I could get both GSP and Silva into a room and talk to them from a fans' perspective! With passion!!! Give them my special sauce of Burgessian Divine Heart Fire!!! They talk about how they love their fans, so maybe they need a fans' input.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:33 PM ET *
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08.04.2012 | 3:22 PM ET
"We are all human, it's time to prove it."
08.04.2012 | 3:24 PM ET
Anderson height 6ft 2in reach:77.6in
Jones height 6ft 4in reach: 84.5in
GSP height: 5ft 10in reach: 76in
SOOOOOOOOOOO. Anderson has a 3 inch height advantage on GSP, while Jones has a 2 inch reach advantage on Anderson. BUT Anderson only has a 1.6 inch reach advantage on GSP, while Jones has a 7 inch reach advantage on Anderson. So you size argument for Silva/Jones is actually an argument against you, buuuuuuuuuuutttttt you didn't even check the facts.
Also that walk around weight is a stupid argument. Anderson balloons in weight like Rampage while GSP is ALWAYS in shape. Anderson is probably about 20 lbs lighter at the least, when in shape.
* Edited at 08.04.2012, 3:27 PM ET *
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08.04.2012 | 3:24 PM ET
Here's a perfect example, watch Barao vs Faber and then watch Aldo vs Faber.
@AnAlias Aldo would DESTROY Cruz and it would break my heart to watch. Cruz would beat Barao though.
@p4pgoat LOL. you crack me up.
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08.04.2012 | 3:25 PM ET
@Anik.. I've been watching MMA longer than you have been alive... do not ever question what I've watched :). I said I believe in Barao.
This coming from the guy picking Fitch & the spaniard... :)
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved" – Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
08.04.2012 | 3:27 PM ET
I didn't question what you watched, I said to watch them right now back-to-back and then tell me whether Barao is the next Jose Aldo or not.
Oh and by the way...WAR FITCH. WAR THE AWESOME ONE.
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08.04.2012 | 3:30 PM ET
"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see is the strategy out of which victory is evolved" – Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
08.04.2012 | 3:30 PM ET
i wonder how much more PPV would they sell.
i mean Anderson and GSP can go boh to the 1 million sells fight in their division.
but i dont know if they would sell more than that fighting against each other.
i dont think the math works like this Silva = 1M, GSP = 1M so GSP + Silva = 2M
the way i see it, its the fighter who has to decide for a superfight.
i dont see any champion calling other champion out, all i see is fans and the media pressuring for it.
if people wanna stay in their divisions, then so be it.
08.04.2012 | 3:33 PM ET
maybe you are right and we get another brazillian champion before Silva retires.
08.04.2012 | 3:35 PM ET
"We are all human, it's time to prove it."
08.04.2012 | 3:38 PM ET
Which is why we are all here and hooked as fans.
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