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ElementKnows
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10.12.2014 | 4:59 PM ET

The sad fact is The UFC has become a joke pushing fighters like conor mcgregor just for him being irish and fighting a weightclass below guys his own size
i loved UFC back in the old days of chuck liddel when guys showed up to fight and did not take year layoff after they won the title .
UFC cant put a good fight on and when they get lucky and get one they must rematch it way too soon !!
dana is a cash cow and since 90% of mma fans are noob kids they dont know what road UFC is taking mma down!!
boxing fans have seen this before and boxing is still recovering from it older fans see this kid fans doo not even the crowds are not going nuts anymore
UFC noobs listen too dana white while MMA fans watch there sport die
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yossgold
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10.13.2014 | 10:23 AM ET

Also, Conor isn't being pushed because he's Irish ... Ireland was never a strategic destination for the UFC until Conor made it one.

He's being pushed because he's got an amazing mix of god given talent and star quality that very few on the roster do (if any, now that Chael's off).

When you've got a fighter who finishes dudes left and right, plays the media game just how they want him to and has the charisma of 1,000 suns you push him. The fact that he brings an entire nation with him on the ride was the added bonus.

Believe me, they'd have pushed Conor if he'd been born in Trinidad & Tobego too.

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10.13.2014 | 10:55 AM ET

That's not a fact Thiago, by definition that's an opinion....stupid.


(Not to say   I disagree, just it's sad you don't know facts from opinions)

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10.13.2014 | 12:05 PM ET

Nomad, I usually don't even respond to people who say "would of", but since you won't stop, and since you are calling other members here stupid, I;ll try to address the only two issues you brought up that were coherent enough to even follow. Those being; 1,The UFC being marketed as a sport rather than martial arts, and 2, your problem with the way wrestling is scored. 

1. It is a sport. I personally am glad that this thing isn't marketed as "kickboxer vs jiu jitsu guy" or "karete guy vs wrestler" anymore. Of course some fighters have different strengths and different backgrounds, but by now everyone we see in mma, is a mixed martial artist and I want the sport of mma to be taken seriously in the sports world. That means treating it like any other sport. 

2. You actually said something like the "bias against grapplers" and then articulated your complaint against top position being inherently favored by judges. First of all, wrestling is a form of grappling, dummy, so to favor top-position wrestling cannot in any way be seen as being "against grapplers". Stay in School. And furthermore, the UFC as an entity does not control who judges fights or how they are judged, and people like Dana White have repeatedly, and famously complained about this very fact themselves.

What you attempted to describe is a legitimate problem in mma, on that you and I agree, but it is not by any stretch of the imagination something that you can blame on the UFC. 

* Edited at 10.13.2014, 12:12 PM ET *

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10.13.2014 | 12:16 PM ET

@yossgold... I think him being from Ireland does help a lot though, not because Ireland is a strategic destination but because the Irish fans are absolutely mental and it makes him look a little better that he has such a bat **** crazy fan base behind him. 

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10.13.2014 | 12:21 PM ET

First of all,  knew going into it I'd get thumbed down...I don't ******* care, I posted my opinions for the sake of discussion. Disagree, argue, bring your perspective into the conversation. That's all I am here for.

Thiago Said an opinion ended with "thats a fact" textbook stupid. I say mean things in jest, you haven't learned to have me with a side of salt?

Marketing it as the Martial Arts moreso than a sport,  doesn't mean Kickboxer vs Jiu Jitsu guy....People have been mixing martial arts to create new ones and gain the upperhand for over a thousand years, they didn't usually see it as sport. Ask questions Ben, don't just assume the one time I pipe up.

As for failing to articulate myself, that's probably a common occurrence. I have this way of jumping from one thing to another with very little rhythm and it doesn't help I'm usually on my phone.

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10.13.2014 | 12:23 PM ET

Being on your phone is not an excuse for talking out of your ass. Take your time, and say what you mean. "Ask questions Ben, don't just assume" ??? I'ts not my fault you don't express your thoughts well. Is English your second language?

And I'm not mad that you called Thiago stupid. You've "jested" with me plenty of times. I know who you are. I'm not offended by you, I just find you tiresome and boring. 

* Edited at 10.13.2014, 12:35 PM ET *

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10.13.2014 | 12:28 PM ET

 I wasn't talking out of my ass nor making excuses. I am not the most articulate person and that is my bad, I am to blame.

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thiagosilva9794
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10.13.2014 | 12:29 PM ET

I often say 'fact' for a thing that is not actual fact, I'm sure most people have said 'fact' in some instances where it is not actually a fact, that does not make that person stupid. 

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10.13.2014 | 12:31 PM ET

I don't know you man, I wasn't sincerely calling you stupid. Just being a ****.

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10.13.2014 | 12:31 PM ET

No worries Nomad. I'm sorry if I was too hard on you. 

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10.13.2014 | 12:34 PM ET

I can never stay mad at you Benny Boy, one look at that cute white face and.I'm happy again.

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10.13.2014 | 12:42 PM ET

Yeah, you white ************

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10.13.2014 | 1:16 PM ET

Racists

"I really feel like I'm the most dangerous guy out there" BJ Penn........... UFC on Fox 2 event winner :)

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10.13.2014 | 2:09 PM ET

@thiago, I totally agree, as I said, added bonus for the UFC but most definitely not the main reason he's being pushed. If he was from a country with the population of 12 non-MMA fans a man with his talent and persona would be pushed just as hard. They probably wouldn't have him headlining any shows at this fictional McGregorland, but to say the only reason he's being push is because he's from Ireland (which is what's said in the OP) is ridiculous. Conor is that "once every now and then" whole package, talent, looks, persona and a whole nation behind him (at least the MMA loving part of it). People should be embracing it, not nitpicking. And yes, he's getting special treatment, but that's not because he's Dana's nephew, it's because he created a situation where he's worth pampering. If I were running a promotion and I had someone like him, you bet you ass he'd be treated better than Cub Swanson for instance, who's great, but has nothing close to the selling power of Conor.

And as for the "fighting smaller guys" remark (also from the OP) ... is Aldo a "natural featherweight"? Poirier? Is there such a thing anymore? If you can cut weight keep good cardio, speed, strength, it's the weight class for you.

Conor never misses weight and the one time he did go the distance in the UFC he tore his ACL and still didn't miss a beat and looked as fresh in the 3rd as he did in the 1st.

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10.13.2014 | 6:08 PM ET

I don't think the UFC monopoly is good for the sport. 
CthulhuJones
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10.13.2014 | 6:50 PM ET

The UFC has had a monopoly on MMA since Pride went out of business, so I don't really understand the complaints. This isn't new.
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10.13.2014 | 7:20 PM ET


that OP has Haven-level grammar sans grace.

"@AndySalasMMA"

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10.13.2014 | 8:15 PM ET

Dana White has always reminded me of Lex Luthor from Superman but with a fowl mouth. I don't trust a word that guy says but it's entertaining nonetheless.

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10.13.2014 | 9:20 PM ET

Dana's got a bird mouth?

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10.13.2014 | 9:20 PM ET

ElementKnows........zilch.

MMAFAn, how do you feel about the NHL, NBA, NFL, etc.? There's minor leagues (plural) and then the Big League (singular) that's the way she goes.

* Edited at 10.13.2014, 9:22 PM ET *

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