Dos Santos vs. Velasquez II

This is the official discussion thread for Dos Santos vs. Velasquez II. Let's see what you've got.

I'll change my pick after the weigh-in when Dos Santos will make his prediction.

First fight JDS KO'd him quick. The second time around I imagine he will toy with Cain like he did with Mir and KO him in the second.

part of me would like to see Cain win so they can continue this rivalry and have a 3rd fight down the road....butttt I think i'll go with Wake's strategy and do what JDS tells me to do

I dont like the idea of cain beating 1 subpar fighter after getting beat by JDS and getting a shot again. I think they should see what happens in the werdum/russow fight. If werdum wins, match him up against cain in a number 1 contenders fight.

Im a big fan of Cain, but come on. He doesnt deserve this fight, he beat an average level fighter in Bigfoot Silva. I think he should fight Werdum/Russow winner for the shot. I like Cain, but Im going with JDS this time around.

I'm not shocked that they're going at it again, just wish they would have waited for Werdum/Russow to fight Cain.  I actually like Cain, but my favorite fighter JDS will kill him.  Then I suppose the winner of Werdum/Russow can have the next crack at him.  I don't see anyone in the division beating JDS right now. He's in his prime!

I ******* love the line right now, JDS at -125. I'd bet the house on him.

* Edited at 06.09.2012, 4:03 PM ET *

KO in 1st round? You underestimate Valesquez so much..

Cain is getting KO'd again...1st or 2nd round.

@CarteLL Did you watch the first fight?

I like dos santos a lot but i really thought mir would take it.  He looked amazing and i wont doubt him again.

Anik I love the way if Fitch gets KO'd within a minute it's a fluke. JDS KO'd Velasquez super early and apparently that isn't a fluke. 

(neither were flukes btw)

@AnikM Yes I did and believe that Valasquez can learn from his mistakes and use them in his own favor. I also saw how Valesquez recently kill that overgrown monster... like a boss! Another thing.. I'm not sayin JDS is not going to win this bout but I'm pretty sure he'll (Cain) play a far more dignified role and will be a good competitor for JDS.. Just my stupid opinion haha..

* Edited at 06.09.2012, 4:15 PM ET *

If Cain uses his wrestling this time around then we have a real fight on our hands. But if he decides to stand and trade, I too think he gets KOd in the 1st. 

One punch knockouts are not fluke. How can a fighter that is known to knock people out, throw a punch, with the intentions of it landing and knocking the other fight out. Then when it happens, its a fluke?

@Russello What the **** are you saying...where the **** did I say it wasn't a fluke? Why the **** are we talking about whether it's a fluke or not? Where in any of my posts do I say JDS's punch vs Cain wasn't a fluke and Cain would get beat the exact same way the first fight? -1 for that misinformed-ass post.

Now for my opinion: No it wasn't a fluke punch because JDS was getting the better of him very early in the fight, Cain had his chance to **** **** up and didn't and THEN JDS KOed him. Whereas LITERALLY THE VERY FIRST PUNCH OF THE FIGHT was a knockout blow in the Fitch-Hendricks, on a guy who's never been KOed. Two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FIGHTS, what a ignorant-ass comment. Wanna know how many times Fitch has been knocked down before that fight (excluding the GSP fight)? 0 times. Cain Velasquez's been knocked down more times in half of the fights.

Gonna tell me that Paulo Thiago's a better fighter than Josh Koscheck? He KOed Koscheck after all but if there aren't any flukes in MMA, then my bad shove him in your top 10 list. What a dumb comment.

I am equally surprised and annoyed.

* Edited at 06.09.2012, 4:20 PM ET *

'KO in 1st round? You underestimate Valesquez so much' - Cartell.
@CarteLL Did you watch the first fight? - you.


Clearly, you're not saying it was a fluke because he's saying round 1 tko is unlikely and you're saying by the evidence of the first fight it's going to happen again. Your reaction is absolutely hilarious. I pointed out one thing and you're up in arms because I read something in a certain way (which you clarified as being correct -.-) and now you're at my throat.

Calm down. This is the biggest overaction ever. Dont bother posting back, I ain't gonna reply. Now I bet you'll fill up a really long and angry post just to try and make it looked like I backed out when I just cant be ****** for it.

* Edited at 06.09.2012, 4:28 PM ET *

Slightly slower version of their last fight. jds has improved and cain never had a good chin, he has quick recovery. The big question here is; is his recovery quick enough to get the take down like it was against kongo. I dont think it will be.

I'll be picking Junior again

@TraeBlack OF COURSE every punch is thrown with the intention of finishing the other opponent. But you're defining fluke in a different way in comparison to my definition. Look at it this way: remember the helmet catch by David Tyree in the Super Bowl between the Patriots and the Giants? If you ran that exact play with the exact circumstances happening 10 times, would Tyree make the catch every single time? If you think he'll make the catch less than 50% of the time, it's a fluke. That's how I look at it. If Hendricks and Fitch were to fight 10 times, Fitch would win 9 of those 10 times in my opinion because he's a better fighter, in my opinion. If JDS and Cain were to fight 10 times, JDS would KO Cain almost every time in my opinion, which is why I don't think it's a fluke.

Also add in the fact that it was the first punch thrown in the fight, and it's got fluke written all over it.

@Russello I'm implying that by the evidence of the first fight, it can happen. If Hendricks and Fitch fight again and Hendricks KOs Fitch in the 1st round, I wouldn't be surprised because it happened before. Now why the **** would it be almost impossible that JDS could KO Cain again in the first?

EDIT: "Now I bet you'll fill up a really long and angry post just to try and make it looked like I backed out" the **** are you talking about, crazy.

* Edited at 06.09.2012, 4:32 PM ET *