Dubois vs. Fujimoto

I don't understand. Why can't you update these Mikey? And why can't you update results as they happen? I would have thought editors would have GLOBAL site powers to alter and change things as they need changing. That would be a much better and more efficient system.

Greg, Mikey is the only on of these guys earning his Keep IMO. Everything that's not managed by him is a dog and pony show.

#Gregneedstogivemikeymorecontrol

* Edited at 12.15.2019, 2:54 PM ET *

wait--what? You have to phone in the results by email? Like, you can't just add or change anything via the site itself?

OK well that's a shambolic system for a variety of reasons and there's a few simple fixes to it. Not talking about what you do, talking about the fact that everything has to be vetted by Admin before it goes Live. I hope Greg doesn't have to do the vetting personally, boy oh boy would that be a PITA. I finally understand why things are so slow to update; it's because the updates are bottlenecking as a result of having one guy Vet everything that comes in. And that doesn't make sense on another level because it isn't like whoever is doing that has any more Data to go off then the person who submits it--that is, whoever vets the results doesn't know more than whoever submits them. So ultimately, you've got a situation in which the same process is doubled-up and a huge workload is carried by I'm assuming one person ( whoever Admin is) making them more likely to make errors, for no meaningful outcome whatsoever. I'm not sure why Greg has organized things this way, but I assume it's about quality control. But I don't think it works.

Here's what I think needs to happen:

Firstly, fight center editors need to get better. Because most of them are Atrocious. Secondly any fight center editor should be able to change any other fight center editor's results. This is patently obvious.

Secondly Fight Center editors should be given more Autonomy to make of-the-minute changes to cards and results and should Vet between themselves, and be given tools to do this on the site. The ratio should be 2-1, or 3-1, depending on how many fight center editors there actually are. It depends on the force of labor. What I am essentially recommending is Peer Review which would operate along the same lines as how Wiki entries operate; Cross-Examination of results should be mandatory before any fight center editor can post their own results, and this should be supported at the code-level, to ensure this happens.

This would result in a massively reduced rate of bottlenecking, results getting up faster, would reduce the probability of errors, and would take a lot less strain off the Admin who in reality probably has far more important **** to do. Or should, at least.

It's a bit like catching stormwater; the reason guttering has a mandated number of downpipes per linear feet of distance is to accommodate flow and stop water gushing back under the eaves and ******* **** up. You can either have more pipes, or fewer big ass pipes. It's the same principle with division of labor. Either you have more people doing less **** or fewer people doing more stuff. The rate of return on option A is always worse in option B in my experience, because of human error, the law of 'path of least resistance' and general human fatigue.

You can have more Admins or give more autonomy with conditions to existing editors. There's only two options.

Admin shouldn't be doing what Editors are paid to do. That role should be managerial,not practical beyond resolving technical site issues and the admin should really only function as a principle of oversight, dispute resolution, and decision-making when conflicts and technical issues arise. That's how any business is meant to be structured.

Personally I would find it insulting to have my work ceaselessly Vetted by a  single person. Where's the trust? That's micromanaging.

Just my two cents.




 

* Edited at 12.15.2019, 5:10 PM ET *

Ok, I'm having trouble understanding why, for example, UFC and Bellator fight results update live and lesser cards and/or Boxing events don't get updated live even when we have editors online. I mean you were watching the Crawford card live yesterday. I'm guessing some other editor snazzled that 'contract', if we can call it that, the whole setup sounds like a depressing ****ensian commission-based ****show.  I get it now. Yick.

Regardless I think if Greg is going to organize it that way there needs to be better standards, and this site could seriously benefit from having a review of the existing editors and a subsequent delousing, because apart from you they all seem to be lazy and/or incompetent. It's not fair to you or anyone willing to work and to get things right and up FAST, that some lazy ************* can do something half-assed, dragging their ass the whole way, and STILL get the money that could have gone to someone GOOD for having done it all badly much more slowly.

Anyway I appreciate the work you put in man. You should at LEAST be in control of literally every single Boxing event on this site.

* Edited at 12.15.2019, 11:29 PM ET *

Ok, let's start from the beginning; why don't you give me a brief synopsis of how things work, and what the payscales are. In fact, you don't even need to tell me what the patyscales are because I'd rather not know and have already assumed with a strong degree of confidence whatever payment Editors receive is barely enough to keep a dog alive and people do it for reasons other than the financial kind. I am able to infer only at this stage that Editors are paid on commission, and I assume it's X amount per submissions of X.  That is, the more updates and cards completed the higher the return. You call it 'Free Time', but in fact, the time is not 'Free' inasmuch as you receive payment for it. You are then effectively 'Employed'.

I suppose I have to identify with the Ignorant' category at this point. You have the power to enlightenment me. By all means, do. I'm listening. Why the lack of transparency?  Would you oblige me in telling me what it is yourself, and other fight center editors...do, on this site, quantified in Per Weekly hours? It may very well be that I am being disrespectful. But I can't know that. Nobody who isn't on the payroll can.

I'd be interested in a 'state of the union' type address. At any time you could tell me exactly which events you've covered over the past two weeks, also. But what you're essentially doing right now is asking me and everyone else to is accept you do a whole lot of stuff on the basis you say you do despite the fact that even moderately well publicized cards often don't have results updated for weeks.

Here's what I do know; everything Mikey is in control of gets done and gets done right, and apart from Bellator and UFC, almost nothing else does. I'm a simple man. I see things, I make deductions. That, and I know you people are paid something to do something and whatever that is does not result in things getting done promptly.

Edit I don't think I could do a better Job. I know I could. I just wouldn't because...well, I'm either not nice enough, or stupid enough to do so. Which one of those I am will depend on your answers and motivations I suppose.

* Edited at 12.16.2019, 1:30 AM ET *

OK well firstly I 'd like to clarify; I am not trashing Tapology. What you have created here is exceptional. I would go as far as to say that Tapology is Peerless. It is ostensibly the best MMA site in the world. And I'm not criticizing you personally, because criticizing the managerial skills of the person who created the best MMA site in the world would be beyond ridiculous. I agree with just about every decision you make. Probably the only exception is the upvoting/downvoting system which needs a serious overhaul and simply does not serve any meaningful purpose in its existing state. It needs to be changed or done away with.  Because this:





Is evidence of a massive systemic failure.  I downvote 13% of the time, 21.2% my total total votes received are downvotes, and yet I have a post score of 188. I don't even know why I care really because it's a pathetically neurotic thing to give a **** about. Maybe it's my diseased financier's brain but I find myself surprisingly aggrieved about it. 


However, the main site issue that exists, and the main grievance for members here is how slowly it takes for event points to be awarded, and why results are not updated live, for 'non-flagship' events. It's an insensible situation that we have VERY long term members watching these bills live on the day or night, and the results in the right hand column of the screen don't get updated for days or weeks. This is what is stopping Tapology from going to the next level; there is lack of urgency.

Basically my read at this point is that Tapology simply needs more Staff, but without knowing the particulars of how things operate I can still surmise that this would be problematic simply because increasing the staffing pool would make earnings dive because it would further the divide the available money supply, as that incremental increase would not be offset by any exponential or logarithmic growth in the number of cards themselves; I.E. you'd have an under-supply of available cards leading to a higher value of cards, probably to the extent that it simply wouldn't become attractive for anyone, at least financially, to want to work as an Editor. That might prove true in sociological terms also.

But that would be contingent upon there being more people doing what you and Skelli do. More editors isn't going to work in the long term in the...economic status quo, because it doesn't matter if X is getting done quickly if it has to pass through a check that creates a bottleneck. In fact, it would very likely exacerbate said bottleneck. And there IS a bottleneck. There's a reason that subways have more than a couple of turnstiles. 

So more editors probably won't work in the long term. What's needed is more people doing what you and Skelli do. Surely after nigh on Ten years of this site being operational, there's a few members you both trust enough to give discriminatory powers of oversight to. Surely.

Anyway, rant over. Regardless I'm very grateful for Tapology. And if I wasn't such an ******* I'd throw my hat into the ring. But that would mean I'd have to act responsibly, and an on-the-clock Fishrat is a bored Fishrat, and Tapology isn't the place for bored Fishrat. Well it is, but not in the sense that I mean. I don't like complaining about things when I'm not kicking in anything myself, but you won't take my money. I'm happy to give you that, but I can't give you time.

* Edited at 12.16.2019, 4:46 PM ET *

^ This. The Dude literally burns the candle at both ends, pulls all-nighters and doesn't even sleep to get things updated fast. It's a ******* MIRACLE that he's willing to do what he does. Try and find another one. You're not gonna. Hard work should always be rewarded, as should initiative. 

* Edited at 12.16.2019, 6:27 PM ET *

@Brad well Mikey stole his PC from the Library and tries to feed it Lettuce through the disk drive so y'know....not a high bar.

* Edited at 12.16.2019, 10:32 PM ET *