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Invicta FC 33
  • Saturday 12.15.2018 at 10:00 PM ET
  • U.S. Broadcast: UFC Fight Pass | Prelims: Facebook.com
  • Promotion: Invicta FC
  • Tapology Accounts: InvictaFC
  • Ownership: Invicta Fighting Championships, LLC
  • Venue: Scottish Rite Temple
  • Location: Kansas City, Missouri, United States
  • Enclosure: Cage
  • TV Announcers: TJ DeSantis, Julie Kedzie
  • Ring Announcer: Ray Flores
  • Interviews: Megan Anderson | Backstage: Megan Anderson
  • MMA Bouts: 8
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Bout   Info
Jinh Yu Frey   defeats   Minna Grusander   via Decision, Split   5 Rounds, 25:00 Total Bout Page
Danielle Taylor   defeats   Montserrat Conejo Ruiz   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Kay Hansen   defeats   Sharon Jacobson   via Submission, Armbar   4:43 Round 3 of 3, 14:43 Total Bout Page
Alesha Zappitella   defeats   Amber Brown   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Brianna Fortino   defeats   Jamie Moyle   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Brittney Victoria   defeats   Sarah Kleczka   via Decision, Unanimous   3 Rounds, 15:00 Total Bout Page
Anastasia Nikolakakos   defeats   Ashley Medina   via KO/TKO, Ground and Pound   3:26 Round 2 of 3, 8:26 Total Bout Page
Chantel Coates   defeats   Ashlynn Kleinbeck   via KO/TKO, Right Hook   0:28 Round 1 of 3 Bout Page

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2018.12.16 12:32 AM ET

Round 3 In Progress

Jinh Yu Frey vs. Minna Grusander II
Gregory
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12.16.2018 | 12:38 AM ET


R1 - 10-9 Grusander.
R2 - 10-10
R3 - 10-9 Frey. Not enough late in the round to take away all the hard shots Grusander ate early.

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2018.12.16 12:38 AM ET

Round 4 In Progress

Jinh Yu Frey vs. Minna Grusander II
Gregory
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12.16.2018 | 12:44 AM ET

R1 - 10-9 Grusander.
R2 - 10-10

R3 - 10-9 Frey.
R4 - 10-10. No sustained or meaningful advantage for either fighter in the round.

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2018.12.16 12:44 AM ET

Round 5 In Progress

Jinh Yu Frey vs. Minna Grusander II
2018.12.16 12:49 AM ET

Judges Tallying

Jinh Yu Frey vs. Minna Grusander II
Gregory
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12.16.2018 | 12:50 AM ET

R1 - 10-9 Grusander.
R2 - 10-10
R3 - 10-9 Frey.

R4 - 10-10.

R5 - 10-10. No sustained or meaningful advantage for either fighter in the round.

My score:
49-49 draw.

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2018.12.16 12:53 AM ET

bout result

Jinh Yu Frey defeats Minna Grusander via 5 Round Decision
Gregory
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12.16.2018 | 12:54 AM ET


Actual scores:

48-47
47-48
48-47

Split decision for Jinh Yu. Not sure how you can really say one fighter definitively won the fight.

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2018.12.16 12:58 AM ET

Event Complete

Invicta FC 33
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12.16.2018 | 1:05 AM ET

Predictions: 5 of 8 Winners, 2 Perfect, 340 Points   |   Tied for 167th

Yeah, I think a draw would've been fair, but judges generally don't like to give out draws.
Gregory
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12.16.2018 | 1:13 AM ET


For sure they don't! But I am trying to advocate for more or them.


Why should careers and opportunities be made or broken based on random, tiny differences? If someone didn't clearly win, I think it should be a draw.

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12.16.2018 | 1:17 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 4 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

That makes 2 back to back close fights between Jinh and Minna
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12.16.2018 | 1:19 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 4 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

But as a long time fan of Jinh going back to her SCS days I'm glad she won.
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12.16.2018 | 1:20 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 4 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

Alesha Zappitella at 5-0 is close to a Title shot. A win over Brown isn't too shabby.

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12.16.2018 | 2:20 AM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 3 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

@greg u are forgetting to be the champ u gotta beat the champ and get a definitive win.
I think the case for the first one being a draw holds more weight.
Two close fights no definitive winner. No chance for a rematch.
At least not right now in invicta.
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12.16.2018 | 9:59 AM ET

@freemoney that's not how judges are supposed to score fights. which fighter is champion vs challenger is not supposed to factor in whatsoever when they score a round.

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12.16.2018 | 8:20 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 3 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

Except in cases of draws or when u can't pick one or the other cause they both did good the champ gets the nod. Its not an official part of judging but its well known.
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12.16.2018 | 8:23 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 3 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

And of course its only cause they dont want draws. The whole scoring system is in fact based on not getting draws. I actually agree with what I've heard u say in the past 10-10 rounds should be allowed. 
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12.16.2018 | 8:27 PM ET

Predictions: 2 of 8 Winners, 2 Perfect, 175 Points   |   258th Place

10-10 rounds are allowed but are never used as athletic commissions widely frown upon them and try their best to force a winner of a round.
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12.16.2018 | 8:40 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 3 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

Wow I thought it was not allowed. R u sure?
I could swear 10-10 rounds were not allowed. 
And they use the boxing ten point must system of scoring with no 10-10 rounds.
Round winner gets 10 and the loser gets 9 or less.
Makes no sense. No wonder why there are so many bad decisions. 
Its confusion! 
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12.16.2018 | 8:43 PM ET

Predictions: 2 of 8 Winners, 2 Perfect, 175 Points   |   258th Place

yea its in the unified rules of MMA: https://www.dca.ca.gov/csac/forms_pubs/publications/unified_rules_2017.pdf

PDF Link so it
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12.16.2018 | 8:54 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 3 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

Thanx man. It makes me wonder why we dont get more draws. I see 10-10 rounds all the time.
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12.16.2018 | 9:18 PM ET

Predictions: 2 of 8 Winners, 2 Perfect, 175 Points   |   258th Place

athletic commissions don't want rounds ending in draws i would've giving Woodley and wonderboy about 5 10-10 rounds
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12.22.2018 | 9:26 PM ET

Predictions: 6 of 8 Winners, 4 Perfect, 400 Points   |   Tied for 69th

I'm not a fan at all of 10-10 Rounds. Use the criteria. Add it all in everything from effective striking, grappling, aggression. If it's that close find the area that the other fighter did better than the other. It sucks that in close fights there's a loser but it would suck even more if we saw 3 or 4 draws per event because the judges were too complacent to award a winner of a round.
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12.23.2018 | 4:44 AM ET

Predictions: 2 of 8 Winners, 2 Perfect, 175 Points   |   258th Place

Very true but sometimes there really isn't a winner of a round and giving a round to someone for the sake of giving a round to someone is to me asinine. Sometimes there just isn't enough to give a round to someone over another.

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