Jones' B Sample Comes Back Positive...

...To really no one's surprise, but not there is no doubt that he fought with a known steroid in his system.  This time around it's sounding like it's going to be hard to point to tainted supplements, considering that in a quote from Steroidal.com regarding Turinabol "Today there are no known pharmaceutical productions of this compound, and its production is limited to underground lab (UGL) manufacturers." 
Shame that such a world class talent turns out to be a cheat, but more shameful is the extent to which he openly lied about it.  
Where does he go from here?

Chill dawgs. 

jus' chill.

@MassaBruce

And who appointed you the arbiter of what is humor and what isn't on this forum?  BTW, I find it hilarious that you call me the fruitcake when you're the ****** who can't take the joke. You clearly take yourself way too seriously.  I mean for Christ sake you were bragging about your pick percentage in another thread when you had a spat with PilloryChoke.  Pick percentage.  You understand how dumb that makes you look here?  No one around here gives a flying **** about pick percentage and anyone who brags about it (like MMAMessiah did long long ago) gets rightfully mocked.  So to quote Sargent Hulka, I implore you to...

Warning - everyone is about to get put in the penalty box for a few hours unless this stops.

You know who is the real winner here? Jon Jones, he is looking like less and less of a tool as this thread goes on.

Alright, you were warned.  We let pretty much whatever go on this forum, but there are limits.

Gregory bringing the thread to order...




Back on topic...

IMO, Jones has most certainly been on PEDs his whole career. After failing once you would believe that a fighter would clean up and not pull this **** again, but in Jon's mind he clearly needs it; he was unable to compete without something. You don't have that mentality unless you have been using your whole career. Furthermore, why would someone start using just as USADA is implemented? Leads to only one possible conclusion - he never stopped using.

@Griffy

The problem is that we have no idea of knowing when Jones began because, up until recently, he had not shown any physical signs of steroid use.  Up until he began power lifting, Jones was rather lanky for his frame. And while he may have possibly acquired some PEDs from his brothers Chandler and Arthur (because the NFL is so rife with hushed steroid use), because of the relaxed standards of previous testing, we will never get a true idea of where he started.

What's worse is that now some of this heat will eventually come over to Jackson MMA, as Jones didn't become the elite champion until he switched from Team Bombsquad and Tristar to Jackson's. Now everyone at that camp also comes under speculation as to whether or not they also partake in taking steroids. Which is a shame because I doubt many of them do, but who truly knows.  I sincerely hope that Jones was an isolated incident, because if he isn't then this is a big black eye on the sport because it also brings speculation to guys like Evans, Holm, Kennedy, Kaufman, Mir, and GSP who, at one point or another, trained at the same gym as Jones.

Everybody love everybody

Did I not make myself clear to behave a little more respectfully?

@greenhornet
Except you know, he extremely low T levels which numerous experts said was direct sign of cycling, which makes us know, that he was at the very least using it prior to his first DC fight.  Meaning, he never fought DC clean.  SO either he was using it the entire time, or he used it against DC, because he did not believe he could win with out an edge. He also made massive strength gains, by the first DC fight that made little to no sense. Either way, the greatest LHW of all time is DC, no matter how you split it. Jon never fought him clean and we all know why.  

* Edited at 09.14.2017, 10:46 AM ET *

@Franklin, I doubt someone who achieved as much as Jones did suddenly started because he was afraid of one opponent, no matter who he is. Abnormally low T/E, Estrogen blockers, actual steroids, Chael telling the story about how he hid under the cage for an hour and a half when a USADA agent came around. Each one of them can be explained, **** pills, Chael lying, too much training, etc, but all of them together is the bread crumbs trail of a consistent cycler.

By he way, I'm 99% positive that the coaches know. It's no fluke that you see a lot of the known or highly suspected roiders in the same gyms (especially the Florida ones).

* Edited at 09.15.2017, 7:38 AM ET *

It's too bad that such a great career will foreverly be tarnished.  He was always fun to watch and root against.

@franklin

Keep in mind that I am just playing devil's advocate here.

@GreenHornet, not sure why you got the DV's you brought up some good points. I would counter them with what Yoss said. 

Also, the stardom that was (or is, depending on who you ask) Jon Jones was huge, the biggest in the sport at one point, so I think it is unlikely that Jackson or JW are promoting the use of PEDs, knowing full well the repercussions. Jones has lots of people around him constantly, maybe it was someone else who pushed him towards using? Or maybe not? But, with no clear patterns of fighters caught doping emerging from Jackson or JW, I believe there is little reason to put those fighters under the microscope - even more than most are currently under.

Truth is though, anyone could get a pass with a self perseverance claim. If someone was caught using, they could say, hey how am I expected to compete clean when my opponent is clearly using. And that argument could be made, pre-usada. So any of the great fighters who fought in pride or early ufc up until 2015 could make that claim and be believed. At least in my opinion. But to me, usada was a game changer.

Out of competition testing is where it's at. Now guys can reasonably assume that their opponents on the level. Which makes what Jones and Lesnar did the worst kind of snake move. I think Hunt's lawsuit has legs because using deductive reasoning, we can assume that the UFC knew Lesnar was going to fight at 200 earlier than was announced. Why then did they wait to announce it until 199? Wouldn't a longer build up give the UFC more of a chance to sell and get people excited. I think through back door channels, it was made known to those that count in the UFC that Lesnar was cycling and that he would be clean a month out. So they stalled the announcement. Obviously what the UFC didn't expect was Lesnar to need to keep his estrogen levels in check. So he got caught. Now the UFC has plausible deniability, but using deductive reasoning, one could certainly come to the conclusion that they knew. This is all my opinion and of course speculation.