Topic: Rousey vs. McMann
Rousey vs. McMann
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12.29.2013 | 2:16 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Decision
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02.21.2014 | 7:54 PM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
Their desperately-improvised Plan B will be an instant rematch. I hope Dana is betting his house on Ronda winning. And if McMann pulls off the win, it won't be the 'Upset of the Century'.
If McMann wins, you will all hear the rolling thunder outside the building. It will be the popping of champagne corks all the way to Antarctica
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02.21.2014 | 8:00 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
"Frig off, bud"
02.21.2014 | 8:03 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
Um hype Sara Mcmann. like they are Hyping Chris Weidman and Hyping Renan Barao, and will hype Johnny Hendricks now those dominant champs are gone. Kind of like they Hyped Cain Velasquez after their cash cow Brock lost. Beating a Dominant Champ just makes the person who beat them that much more badass. If Rousey loses McMann becomes the next big thing.
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02.21.2014 | 8:05 PM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
"Why are you booing me? I am the GOAT. **** you." - Patricio "Pitbull" Freire
02.21.2014 | 8:34 PM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
The UFC has woefully neglected McMann. If they start the hype the night she wins, they will all look like unprepared fools. Caught with their advertising pants down. How awkward.
And when they set the PR machine for McCann, it will look like they are suddenly abandoning Rousey, 'the greatest star they ever had.'
There is an old saying in the advertising business. The more something needs advertising, the less value it has on its own. Amazing things require less advertising than schlock.
GSP, Lesnar, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, and Chuck Liddell required very little advertising and hype. They sold themselves by the scope of their talent. Their skills, tools, records, etc. all announced them as badass fighters. We all thrilled to their exploits and looked forward to their next fights.
Ronda Rousey has her one tool, and 2 wins. Yet the PR Hype Monster says she's bigger than Jon Jones now, and GSP, Anderson Silva and Lesnar were in the past. Now that's a hype Monster WAY, WAY WAY out of control and making itself look ridiculous. Dana White is looking more like PT Barnum every day.
* Edited at 02.21.2014, 8:35 PM ET *
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02.21.2014 | 9:30 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
That said, Rousey is going to shadow all of her opponents in the UFC and it doesn't.help McMann is quieter than a church mouse. Rousey won't squeeze more than 350,000 PPV out of this and in time her headlining will mean 200,000ish buys then.she will become a co headline and a FOX headliner. People are already seeing Rousey isn't really much of a personality and if you want hot go watch **** or something.
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02.21.2014 | 10:05 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 3
Bill - doesn't this contradict your first 3 paragraphs?
"GSP, Lesnar, Jon Jones, Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes, and Chuck Liddell required very little advertising and hype. They sold themselves by the scope of their talent. Their skills, tools, records, etc. all announced them as badass fighters. We all thrilled to their exploits and looked forward to their next fights."
All of these individuals were significantly pushed by the UFC. And Lesnar wasn't hyped? Are you serious? What was his MMA record before coming to the UFC, Bill? He had one fight. And then built an MMA record, not unlike what Rousey is doing now. And she happens to have an Olympic medal, which is, you know, kind of a big thing. It's not like she was serving waffles at a diner prior to becoming one of the most prominent figures in WMMA. If she beats an Olympic wrestler on Saturday, will she distinguished herself enough for you? Or is she not able to build a legacy and record like all of the other fighters you mentioned?
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02.21.2014 | 10:25 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
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02.22.2014 | 1:17 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 2
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02.22.2014 | 11:31 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
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02.22.2014 | 11:34 AM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
I'm not saying the UFC didn't do what they could to EXPLOIT his silly behavior. I AM saying they didn't need to. He was a show. When he foamed at the mouth and put Budweiser down in the cage, the reporters and sports writers had all they needed, without ANY help from the UFC to fan the flames.
Rousey is not like Brock. She didn't bring an Olympic fan-base with her. She is not as inherently interesting. It is a mystery why she is going out of her way to make herself less popular. She hung around the Diaz brothers too long. She thinks being an anti-hero make her intriguing. Too late, she will find out she is simply unpopular. She's not interesting, just annoying.
Tonight's PPV will bomb and bomb huge. It will draw less than 300,000 PPV buys, because Rousey is carrying the event pretty much by herself. When Rashad Evans got hurt, it left her alone.
Personally, I look forward to MacDonald vs. Maia, but that is not a big event for PPV buyers. This will expose Rousey as a non-drawing card. She is not the celebrity draw that the UFC is promoting her as.
She CANNOT carry a PPV event by herself. If they had loaded the card with other big fights, she could have been a contributor. Put her against Cris Justino and THAT'S completely different. That would sell HUGE. But mostly because of Cyborg, not Rousey.
* Edited at 02.22.2014, 11:36 AM ET *
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02.22.2014 | 11:41 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 3
Why the **** can't a woman carry a ppv? this is sexist ********.
She's not interesting? she's a ******* Olympic judoka who got a medal and went right into hollywood after just a few years. What the **** did brock ever do? join the WWE? just because ******s in the U.S. like pro wrestling and buy the ppv for that then that's suddenly more interesting? Who gives a ****, fans will like any stupid **** and not appreciate the actual talent. Anderson had a hard time getting high ppv numbers as well and he's the ******* best of all time. Of course Rousey is interesting and can headline a show, your post is asinine.
* Edited at 02.22.2014, 11:45 AM ET *
02.22.2014 | 11:47 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 3
02.22.2014 | 11:50 AM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 3
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02.22.2014 | 11:51 AM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
This PPV will prove Ronda can't sell PPVs like Dana and the UFC thinks she can. It's a weak card that has gotten very little promotion, and all the promotion is on the Ronda fight.
UFC 157 was a different thing. It was the first ever women's fight in UFC history.. and it was for a belt. So the appeal was totally different. Not only that, she had some good company on the card. Dan Henderson, Lyoto Machida, Urijah Faber, Robbie Lawler, Josh Koscheck. She didn't sell that PPV on her own.
UFC 168 had all the media attention due to their TUF rivalry, but again.. she didn't sell that PPV on her own. She was on another card with pretty good company. Anderson Silva, Chris Weidman, Josh Barnett, Travis Browne.
Her previous 2 UFC fights were on events that you cant compare to this one. With Cormier/Evans, it was decent. That fight made it a PPV quality card. Now it's Cormier vs... Patrick Cummins? Who's that? They're trying to sell the fight like it'll be some of grudge match. I don't think that'll be enough and I don't think the casual fans will buy into it. You also have Rory/Maia, which is pretty solid, but it's received absolutely no promotion. And the two PPV openers are Waldburger/Pyle and Whittaker/Thompson. Those are 2 decent prelims... definitely not worth buying a PPV for. This card is incredibly weak in comparison to 157/168, and the buys will show that.
"Why are you booing me? I am the GOAT. **** you." - Patricio "Pitbull" Freire
02.22.2014 | 12:01 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission correct Round 1
"Frig off, bud"
02.22.2014 | 12:22 PM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
Nomad is calling it like it is. This card is very, very weak. When Evans pulled out, it doomed the card to being carried by Rousey. And she's not the superstar Dana White is selling her as. Not remotely close.
@Blackwork You are asking a deceptively simple question but the answer is anything but. To isolate fighter's value to a card has never been an easy or simple task. The reason being, cards have many other fighters, which makes it tough to know just what numbers any one person is bringing to the event.
Under normal circumstances, a superstar should result in over 800,000 PPV buys, but only if the card has other credible fights to supplement the Big Fight headlining it.
GSP and Lesnar usually brought the big PPV numbers. I predict this event will draw less than 300,000 PPV buys, and that will be revealing of Rousey's lack of PPV strength. Revealing but catastrophic.
But even that is deceptive. Rousey could possibly draw big but they would have to put her up against Cyborg. Now that would sell and sell huge! Would be the smart business decision. And Rousey vs. Holly Holm would also sell big. At least I think it would. But in all cases, these Rousey fights must be placed in the right settings of other credible and interesting fights. All by themselves? Would be anyone's guess.
And finally, we must remember. Being a big PPV superstar is not a function of fighting talent ONLY. It is a combination of factors. It is a reflection of how one is PERCEIVED by the fans.
It is true that some of the greatest fighters, like Anderson Silva, were not PPV superstars. His talent was there, but his personality was bland. He had the language barrier. He was not American. He was perceived as ****y and somewhat boring. Not his fighting but the man himself. He proved that nice guys sell less than bad boys. Anderson never trashed talked. He resisted even under supreme provocation from Sonnen.
GSP had all the PPV credentials fans wanted. Talented, nice guy, spoke English, had a built-in Canadian fan-base, right attitude, respected his opponents, etc.
To answer your question, under normal circumstances, a PPV superstar should be able to generate 800,000 PPV buys, if the rest of the card is credible. Did I answer your question to your satisfaction?
* Edited at 02.22.2014, 12:27 PM ET *
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02.22.2014 | 12:36 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 2
Just had to throw that out there but I, personally, get very bored by buy-rate and other "business" talk. I'm a fight fan. Let the promoters worry about that ****.
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02.22.2014 | 12:57 PM ET
Prediction: wrong McMann wrong Decision
It is my personal opinion that Rousey isn't a big star. I don't even think of her as a star, period. She has Olympic credentials, but so what. Sarah McMann does too but nobody is making any big deal about her, are they? Rousey has only 2 fights in the UFC. Big deal. So what? How does that launch her into stardom?
You ask about Cyborg drawing better? It's the combination that would be the draw. Cyborg is a woman's star. Rousey is PROMOTED as a woman's star by Dana White. Cyborg beat the former best, Gina Carano. Rousey was appointed by White to be the first UFC woman's fighter. Massive difference.
But if you pit the greatest woman's badass, Cyborg, against the promoted, UFC, girl, you have a big fight. It's the pretend hype of the UFC that the fans want to see shattered to a million pieces.
It that fight were promoted right, it would get 1 million PPVs buys, if the rest of the card were credible, and didn't stink.
Of course, we will never see that, because Dana White is terrified he'd lose his ******** hype. The Emperor would be seen as having no clothes.
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02.22.2014 | 1:08 PM ET
Prediction: correct Rousey wrong Submission wrong Round 3
Just looking at 2013 ppv estimates alone:
Aldo v. Edgar had 330k buys
Velasquez v. Bigfoot II had 380k buys
Henderson v. Evans had 140k buys
Aldo v. Jung had 180k ppv buys
Henderson v. Pettis had 270k buys
Jones v. Gus had 310k buys
Velasquez v. JDS III had 330k buys
Now, you can make whatever point youre making with what it takes to be a ppv "star," but the list above is full of some of the best fighters in the world. If you think Rousey's <300k ppv sales are because she is missing something, please tell me what any of the guys on the above list are missing, for them to fall 500k in sales short of The Burgess Threshold (at least 800k ppv buys).
And if you're in inclined to actually attempt to do that, let me save you some time. Couldn't the answer be that some cards sell, some don't. But true mma fans want to see the best in the world fight, and until proven otherwise, Rousey is one of the best in the world. That may not generate more than 300k in ppv sales, but seems like Aldo has a hard time doing that, too, among others. So Im not really understanding the vitriol in your posts about her. The card is what it is.
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