Topic: Top Lightweights - 155 lbs.

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07.12.2013 | 7:06 PM ET

alright bill hopefully this should work for you ...

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08.25.2013 | 10:32 PM ET

There are some users of marijuana who practice BJJ who claim it helps them focus. Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo are both advocates for it. For me personally, being punched in the face seems like it would kill my buzz. I'd be trying to talk out a truce with the guy while he had me mounted.
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08.25.2013 | 11:00 PM ET

^Hahaha..that was funny @cthulu, but im high, so..figures

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08.26.2013 | 12:17 AM ET

It helps me but it also makes me overthink things that don't need to be overthought
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08.27.2013 | 2:03 AM ET

The LW division is more dynamic and fluid than most.  One of the reasons I think this is, is because the title holder, Benson Henderson, is perceived as more vulnerable and beatable than some other, more dominant title holders.

In LW, I suspect that the Top 12 all sincerely believe, deep in their hearts, that they can really beat him if they can only get in there with him.  That creates a tension and volatile situation, where they all are giving it the extra mile to get their title shots.

Anyone agree?

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09.01.2013 | 1:38 PM ET

Last nights' fight changes things.  So, I had to revise my rankings.

Top Tier: Anthony Pettis, Benson Henderson, Gilbert Melendez, TJ Grant, Gray Maynard, Josh Thomson, Michael Chandler, Eddie Alvarez, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Pat Healy

Mid-Tier: Nate Diaz, Rafael Dos Anjos, Donald Cerrone, Diego Sanchez, Jim Miller, Joe Lauzon, Jamie Varner, Melvin Guillard, Michael Johnson, 

Bottom Tier: Ross Pearson, Sam Stout, Curt Warburton, Kyle Watson, Matt Wiman, Andre Winner, Yves Edwards, Edson Barboza, Mark Bocek, Danny Castillo, Mac Danzig, Rafael Dos Anjos, Evan Dunham, Michael Johnson, Nik Lentz, John Makdessi, Anthony Njokuani, Aaron Riley, Shane Roller, George Sotiropoulos, Thiago Tavares, Paul Taylor, Gleison Tibau.

This division lost some good fighters when Frankie Edgar and Clay Guida moved down to FW.  Seasoned vet Spence Fisher has all but stopped fighting, as has Sean Sherk. It would be significantly strengthened by the additions of BJ Penn, Jose Aldo, and Eddie Alvarez.  Penn is a big question mark, as to whether or not he is retired or not.  

My 11-19

11. Nate Diaz
12. Rafael Dos Anjos
13. Donald Cerrone
14. Diego Sanchez
15. Jim Miller
16. Joe Lauzon
17. Jamie Varner
18. Melvin Guillard
19. Michael Johnson
20. Jorge Masvidal
21. Rustam Khabilov
22. KJ Noons
23. Ross Pearson
24. Sam Stout

Coming LW fights:

Francisco Trinaldo vs. Piotr Hallmann, September 4, 2013, UFC Fight Night 28
Mike Ricci vs. Myles Jury, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Mark Bocek vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Pat Healy vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
John Makdessi vs. Renee Forte, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Jesse Ronson vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Diego Sanchez vs. Gilbert Melendez, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
George Sotiropoulos vs. KJ Noons, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Tony Ferguson vs. Mike Rio, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Ross Pearson vs. Melvin Guillard, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Paul Taylor vs. Anthony Njokuani, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Jorge Masvidal vs. Rustam Khabilov, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Colton Smith vs. Michael Chiesa, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3

Presently, the following are not matched up in fights yet: Gray Maynard, Josh Thomson, Jim Miller, Takanori Gomi, Sam Stout, Spencer Fisher.

Some of the above fighters are just after having fought recently.

Injured: TJ Grant

The above listing is tentative and soft.  I are prepared to adjust the sequence to some extent based on the order of the house.
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To assist everyone, here is the form chart for tapology,
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Cerrone 6. Maynard 7. Thomson 8. Chandler 9. Diaz 10. Miller 

11. Alvarez 12. Healy 13. Nurmagomedov 14. Lauzon 15. Aoki 16. Anjos 17. Varner 18. Barboza 19. Dunham 20. Tibau

21. Guillard 22. Gomi 23. Sanchez 24. Wiman 25. Masvidal 26. Jury 27. Pearson 28. Bocek 29. Castillo 30. Green
--------------------------------------
Official UFC Rankings, as of July 8, 2013.
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Thomson 6. Maynard 7. Cerrone 8. Niaz 9. Miller 10. Healy 11. dos Anjos
------------------------------------------------
I agree that LW is probably the most fluid division at the moment.  It seems that on any given day, anyone can defeat anyone else.  I am finding it almost impossible to keep up with this most dynamic, fluid of divisions.  Things seem to change with almost every event.  Older steady fighters are losing to rising new guys.  Totally fluid situation.

Another name that could throw things into even further disarray is Russian-born Rustam Khabilov.  He has the potential to cause chaos in an already messy rankings.  His fight with Jorge Masvidal, November 6 promises mayhem and fireworks.  Can't hardly wait.

And still more confusion is possible if Eddie Alvarez loses his fight in Bellator to Michael Chandler.  If he loses, he will be free to sign with the UFC, without further resistance from Bellator.  That gives me a funny feeling.  Knowing Eddie's heart was to move to the UFC, is is possible he would fight with a little less tenacity than his usual?  Not even knowing he's doing it?  

But if Eddie Alvarez does come to the UFC, I don't think he would create the same thing as I used to think.  I don't think he would be Top 10.  I hope he would be I'm afraid to count on him.  Too many disappointments from other people coming here and not living up to expectations.

* Edited at 09.01.2013, 1:40 PM ET *

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09.01.2013 | 5:14 PM ET

Nik Lentz has also dropped to FW.

And where do you rank Jury who thoroughly dominated Michael Johnson?

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09.01.2013 | 6:24 PM ET

To be honest, mule, I'm having a hard time keeping up since things are changing almost by the event.  I will get caught up.

Let's see your new, revised lists.

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09.02.2013 | 10:22 AM ET

workin' on it.

Here ya go:



Obviously I'm continuing with trend of advancing prospects with potential especially when they're undefeated. Jury's convincing win over Johnson followed by Johnson's complete handling of Lauzon probably doesn't justify a top 10 ranking but I'm pretty sure Ricci will be steamrolled and I want to start getting Jury's name in the conversation. 



Diego might also be a stretch but considering who he's facing next and the fact that he's never been steamrolled make me think he'll be looked at more favorably after he competes very well with Gilbert. And if he wins it will make his entry into the top 10 smoother. I realize his fight with Gomi was close but I thought he actually won it and I've seen much greater "robberies". I think the Diego hate has lot to do with the outrage over that fight.



Obviously at this point rankings are very fluid and with Means having been cut, he'll probably lose his spot here but I don't who else to elevate yet and he might be back pretty quick. 

* Edited at 09.02.2013, 10:53 AM ET *

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09.15.2013 | 1:19 PM ET



It boils down to: Diego beat Nick and I don't see how Diego/Nate goes any different. With Gray/Nate III being made, I'd like to see Benson face the loser of Gil/Diego. Either fight would be great I think. Looking at my top 10 it seems obvious that Thomson should face the winner of Healy/Khabib.



While some are calling for RDA to get a top 10 opponent I think RDA/Masvidal is about right & I think Jorge takes it. When Jury wins this weekend the need for him to face a top 10ish opponent (Tibau, RDA, Masvidal?) will be clearer. Dunham/Cowboy is a great fight. Menace/Tibau could also work. 




Lauzon and Varner vs. Gomi and Wiman in either comb. would both be entertaining and still rankings relevant. Despite Noons coming off a loss I still say make Noons/Barboza for sheer fun. 

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09.18.2013 | 9:52 PM ET

New announced LW fights since my last report.

Allan Patrick vs. Garrett Whiteley, October 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 29
James Krause vs. Bobby Green, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Yves Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Thiago Tavasres vs. Quinn Mulhern, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Adrano Martins vs. Daron Cruickshank, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham, November 16, 2013, UFC 167
Gray Maynard vs. Nate Diaz, November 30, 2013, TUF, Team Rousey vs. Team Tate Finale
Joe Lauzon vs. Mac Danzig, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Gleison Tibau vs. Michael Johnson, December 28, 2013, UFC 168
Anthony Pettis vs. Josh Thomson, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9

Top Tier: Anthony Pettis, Benson Henderson, Gilbert Melendez, TJ Grant, Gray Maynard, Josh Thomson, Michael Chandler, Eddie Alvarez, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Pat Healy

Mid-Tier: Nate Diaz, Rafael Dos Anjos, Donald Cerrone, Diego Sanchez, Jim Miller, Joe Lauzon, Jamie Varner, Melvin Guillard, Michael Johnson, 

Bottom Tier: Ross Pearson, Sam Stout, Curt Warburton, Kyle Watson, Matt Wiman, Andre Winner, Yves Edwards, Edson Barboza, Mark Bocek, Danny Castillo, Mac Danzig, Rafael Dos Anjos, Evan Dunham, Michael Johnson, John Makdessi, Anthony Njokuani, Aaron Riley, Shane Roller, George Sotiropoulos, Thiago Tavares, Paul Taylor, Gleison Tibau.

This division lost some good fighters when Frankie Edgar and Clay Guida moved down to FW.  Seasoned vet Spence Fisher has all but stopped fighting, as has Sean Sherk. It would be significantly strengthened by the additions of BJ Penn, Jose Aldo, and Eddie Alvarez.  Penn is a big question mark, as to whether or not he is retired or not.  

My 11-19

11. Nate Diaz
12. Rafael Dos Anjos
13. Donald Cerrone
14. Diego Sanchez
15. Jim Miller
16. Joe Lauzon
17. Jamie Varner
18. Melvin Guillard
19. Michael Johnson
20. Jorge Masvidal
21. Rustam Khabilov
22. KJ Noons
23. Ross Pearson
24. Sam Stout

Coming LW fights:

Mike Ricci vs. Myles Jury, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Mark Bocek vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Pat Healy vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
John Makdessi vs. Renee Forte, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Jesse Ronson vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Allan Patrick vs. Garrett Whiteley, October 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 29
Diego Sanchez vs. Gilbert Melendez, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
George Sotiropoulos vs. KJ Noons, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Tony Ferguson vs. Mike Rio, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Ross Pearson vs. Melvin Guillard, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Paul Taylor vs. Anthony Njokuani, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Jorge Masvidal vs. Rustam Khabilov, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Colton Smith vs. Michael Chiesa, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
James Krause vs. Bobby Green, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Yves Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Thiago Tavasres vs. Quinn Mulhern, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Adrano Martins vs. Daron Cruickshank, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham, November 16, 2013, UFC 167
Gray Maynard vs. Nate Diaz, November 30, 2013, TUF, Team Rousey vs. Team Tate Finale
Anthony Pettis vs. Josh Thomson, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Joe Lauzon vs. Mac Danzig, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Gleison Tibau vs. Michael Johnson, December 28, 2013, UFC 168

Presently, the following are not matched up in fights yet: Jim Miller, Takanori Gomi, Sam Stout

Some of the above fighters are just after having fought recently.

Injured: TJ Grant

The above listing is tentative and soft.  I are prepared to adjust the sequence to some extent based on the order of the house.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To assist everyone, here is the form chart for tapology,
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Cerrone 6. Maynard 7. Thomson 8. Chandler 9. Diaz 10. Miller 

11. Alvarez 12. Healy 13. Nurmagomedov 14. Lauzon 15. Aoki 16. Anjos 17. Varner 18. Barboza 19. Dunham 20. Tibau

21. Guillard 22. Gomi 23. Sanchez 24. Wiman 25. Masvidal 26. Jury 27. Pearson 28. Bocek 29. Castillo 30. Green
--------------------------------------
Official UFC Rankings, as of July 8, 2013.
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Thomson 6. Maynard 7. Cerrone 8. Niaz 9. Miller 10. Healy 11. dos Anjos
------------------------------------------------
I agree that LW is probably the most fluid division at the moment.  It seems that on any given day, anyone can defeat anyone else.  I am finding it almost impossible to keep up with this most dynamic, fluid of divisions.  Things seem to change with almost every event.  Older steady fighters are losing to rising new guys.  Totally fluid situation.

* Edited at 09.18.2013, 9:56 PM ET *

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09.19.2013 | 5:01 PM ET

That's pretty good Bill. You only missed Barboza vs. Castillo at Fox 9. I've been keeping my fighter sheets for over a year now and I think this is the most scheduled fights at any one time in any weight class: 23 as of now.

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09.19.2013 | 6:04 PM ET

Thanks, mule.  The LW division is just unbelievably fluid and dynamic at this moment.  I am finding it virtually impossible to keep up with it.  But I will do what I can. 

New announced LW fights since my last report.

Allan Patrick vs. Garrett Whiteley, October 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 29
James Krause vs. Bobby Green, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Yves Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Thiago Tavasres vs. Quinn Mulhern, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Adrano Martins vs. Daron Cruickshank, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham, November 16, 2013, UFC 167
Gray Maynard vs. Nate Diaz, November 30, 2013, TUF, Team Rousey vs. Team Tate Finale
Joe Lauzon vs. Mac Danzig, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Danny Castillo vs. Edson Barboza, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Gleison Tibau vs. Michael Johnson, December 28, 2013, UFC 168
Anthony Pettis vs. Josh Thomson, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9

Top Tier: Anthony Pettis, Benson Henderson, Gilbert Melendez, TJ Grant, Gray Maynard, Josh Thomson, Michael Chandler, Eddie Alvarez, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Pat Healy

Mid-Tier: Nate Diaz, Rafael Dos Anjos, Donald Cerrone, Diego Sanchez, Jim Miller, Joe Lauzon, Jamie Varner, Melvin Guillard, Michael Johnson, 

Bottom Tier: Ross Pearson, Sam Stout, Curt Warburton, Kyle Watson, Matt Wiman, Andre Winner, Yves Edwards, Edson Barboza, Mark Bocek, Danny Castillo, Mac Danzig, Rafael Dos Anjos, Evan Dunham, Michael Johnson, John Makdessi, Anthony Njokuani, Aaron Riley, Shane Roller, George Sotiropoulos, Thiago Tavares, Paul Taylor, Gleison Tibau.

This division lost some good fighters when Frankie Edgar and Clay Guida moved down to FW.  Seasoned vet Spence Fisher has all but stopped fighting, and Sean Sherk has just officially retired. It would be significantly strengthened by the additions of BJ Penn, Jose Aldo, and Eddie Alvarez.  Penn is dropping to 145 to fight Frankie Edgar III!!  Good Lord who could have seen that coming?!  Let's all hope he rejoins LW afterwards.

Eddie Alvarez has come to terms with Bellator, but if he loses his fight with Michael Chanler, he will be a free agent.  So, who knows?

My 11-19

11. Nate Diaz
12. Rafael Dos Anjos
13. Donald Cerrone
14. Diego Sanchez
15. Jim Miller
16. Joe Lauzon
17. Jamie Varner
18. Melvin Guillard
19. Michael Johnson
20. Jorge Masvidal
21. Rustam Khabilov
22. KJ Noons
23. Ross Pearson
24. Sam Stout

Coming LW fights:

Mike Ricci vs. Myles Jury, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Mark Bocek vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Pat Healy vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
John Makdessi vs. Renee Forte, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Jesse Ronson vs. Michael Prazeres, September 21, 2013, UFC 165
Allan Patrick vs. Garrett Whiteley, October 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 29
Diego Sanchez vs. Gilbert Melendez, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
George Sotiropoulos vs. KJ Noons, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Tony Ferguson vs. Mike Rio, October 19, 2013, UFC 166
Ross Pearson vs. Melvin Guillard, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Paul Taylor vs. Anthony Njokuani, October 26, 2013, UFC Fight Night 30
Jorge Masvidal vs. Rustam Khabilov, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Colton Smith vs. Michael Chiesa, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
James Krause vs. Bobby Green, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Yves Edwards vs. Yancy Medeiros, November 6, 2013, UFC Fight for the Troops 3
Thiago Tavasres vs. Quinn Mulhern, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Adrano Martins vs. Daron Cruickshank, November 9, 2013, UFC Fight Night 32
Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham, November 16, 2013, UFC 167
Gray Maynard vs. Nate Diaz, November 30, 2013, TUF, Team Rousey vs. Team Tate Finale
Anthony Pettis vs. Josh Thomson, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Joe Lauzon vs. Mac Danzig, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Danny Castillo vs. Edson Barboza, December 14, 2013, UFC on Fox 9
Gleison Tibau vs. Michael Johnson, December 28, 2013, UFC 168

Presently, the following are not matched up in fights yet: Jim Miller, Takanori Gomi, Sam Stout

Some of the above fighters are just after having fought recently.

Injured: TJ Grant

The above listing is tentative and soft.  I are prepared to adjust the sequence to some extent based on the order of the house.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To assist everyone, here is the form chart for tapology,
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Cerrone 6. Maynard 7. Thomson 8. Chandler 9. Diaz 10. Miller 

11. Alvarez 12. Healy 13. Nurmagomedov 14. Lauzon 15. Aoki 16. Anjos 17. Varner 18. Barboza 19. Dunham 20. Tibau

21. Guillard 22. Gomi 23. Sanchez 24. Wiman 25. Masvidal 26. Jury 27. Pearson 28. Bocek 29. Castillo 30. Green
--------------------------------------
Official UFC Rankings, as of July 8, 2013.
1. Henderson 2. Melendez 3. Pettis 4. Grant 5. Thomson 6. Maynard 7. Cerrone 8. Niaz 9. Miller 10. Healy 11. dos Anjos
------------------------------------------------
I agree that LW is probably the most fluid division at the moment.  It seems that on any given day, anyone can defeat anyone else.  I am finding it almost impossible to keep up with this most dynamic, fluid of divisions.  Things seem to change with almost every event.  Older steady fighters are losing to rising new guys.  Totally fluid situation.

* Edited at 09.19.2013, 6:05 PM ET *

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09.25.2013 | 9:37 AM ET

Shouldn't Edgar vs. BJ Penn 3 be happening here!  Who the hell believes BJ can make weight at 145?  Didn't he ***** that making 155 'sucked the life out of him'?

* Edited at 09.25.2013, 9:37 AM ET *

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09.25.2013 | 10:56 AM ET

BJ is already complaining the fight is at 145 instead of 155. He's going to get destroyed, 15 minutes of Frankie pounding on him. I'm BJ Penn, **** fighting at the weight I dominated for years I'm eccentric. You need to be retired.
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09.25.2013 | 11:02 AM ET

lol I just read that as well , I was thinking good for BJ , hes going to show hes dedicated to this fight by going to 145. Now that I read that it probably wasnt his idea and he doesnt want to do it i'm picking Frankie for sure. unmotivated Penn 4 the lose .

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09.25.2013 | 11:23 AM ET

It's my bet that Penn complains until the fight is moved to 155.  Just watch and see.

And by the way, what should be done if Nate Diaz refuses the fight with Gray Maynard?  Anything?  Or just ignore it and say, Nate is being Nate?

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09.25.2013 | 11:32 AM ET

If he ducks a fight to attend a high school reunion at a high school he didn't even graduate from I think he should be cut. He's coming off two losses anyway.
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09.25.2013 | 11:42 AM ET

CT.  My good friend and ally.  If you really believe that Nate is wanting to go to his HS reunion, you're a naive man.  He's trying to get out of the fight, man.

He doesn't want to fight Maynard.  And he would deserve to be cut, but he won't.  Dana White treats the Diaz brothers with velvet gloves.  He never slaps them with the back of his hand.  He did that once with Nick but then put him back on the card.

Nate is a marketable commodity and White barks loud but then whimpers out.

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09.25.2013 | 11:42 AM ET

I agree , but hes too big of a draw like his brother. we will see Dana throw a fake fit for the media then the fight will be put on later.

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09.25.2013 | 12:20 PM ET

Bill, you do recall Nick being removed from a title fight due to missing press conferences, right? Those were press conferences, this is a fight. I honestly believe he'll cut Nate if this goes too far.
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